WANTED: 944 Turbo 250bhp or Turbo SE edition
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I had a quick look at it last night - miles from home just saw it driving by - was dark but looked straight enough, would want a good look in the day though!
DC911SC
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I sold the 91 turbo a few months back for £9k quite a few cars that were on when I thought about selling about 9 months ago are still kicking about. Your budget is realistic I would hold one for the right one. IMO its coming to the right time of year to buy as people have had the summer fun and are soon going to be thinking about storage and winter maintenance.
Ewan
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I read through a load of old magazine reviews of the turbo the other day. Couldn't find a single one that thought that the 250 was anything other than a big step forward from the 220. And the same is still true today. The bigger lag is very easily and cheaply remedied these days, and the bigger bang is more fun. And for a few quid more you have 300 bhp and even more fun.
George Elliott
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Ewan, thats fair comment, I'm only saying from owning and driving one daily that there was something nice and balanced in the setup of my old 220. The 250 is measurably better - bigger brakes, wider tyres, more power, and that will get it good reviews in the press, (especially if the reporter wants to be at the next Porsche model launch in the French Rivera) but as a driving machine there was a sweetness to the 220. Dont know if you are VW Mk1 GTI familiar, I'm old enough to be, but the early 1588 engine was far nicer than the 1781 engine that followed. But the 1.8 was faster, torquier, and got good reviews as a result. I think sometimes the manufacturers put massive effort into the original attempt, and perhaps it was "right" at that point. But marketing requirements are that an improved version must follow. Just saying as the OP is looking, don't eliminate a drive in a really nice 220. Hairy sold a nice blue one, and Frenchy a cracking good Gold one, I'd have rated both a long way ahead of most 250's You are right too in that the later ECU is easier to play about with. [8|] George 944t
George Elliott
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Chris Harris could be an exception....? Colin Goodwin too. They seem unique - in that they have a mind of their own. George 944t
Suffolk944
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I would certainly agree with all this. Having owned both a 220 and then a 250 I would say that the 220 is definitely the sweeter drive even if the 250 has ultimately more grunt. The 220 just felt nimbler and some how had more character than the later car - much of a cars driving feel is subjective of course but I think the difference is very noticeable between the two in this case.
PSH
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I fully agree with Jon and others regarding which is the better car in so many ways...one of which is it weighs 150 lb less....the 220 is the true embodiment of the 944t...many would disagree but that's my opinion and yes i'm bias due to owning such a beautiful machine...220t early offset, no ABS and with deep dish teledials.....that's pure heaven IMHO....
PeteWhat was different about the 250bhp cars for them to gain 150lbs? I wonder how much weight difference there is between a 220bhp Turbo and an early n/a car. Certainly my 944 S feels lighter and more agile to drive than my 220bhp Turbo, but the Turbo car feels flatter and more planted, giving it a heavier feel. I think it also feels heavier due to running wider front tyres. Absolutely love my 220 Turbo though, took it for a back road blast yesterday and smiled all the way!!
Suffolk944
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Had exactly that Pete and then sold it [&o] Admittedly there was quite a compression issue in one of the cylinders but wish I had looked into getting it sorted in more depth before selling the car (yes I did declare the problem to the new owner and sold it for an absolute song !)ORIGINAL: PSH ...220t early offset, no ABS and with deep dish teledials.....that's pure heaven IMHO....
andrew_churcher
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Your current car is stunning though Jon so hardly slumming itORIGINAL: Suffolk944Had exactly that Pete and then sold it [&o] Admittedly there was quite a compression issue in one of the cylinders but wish I had looked into getting it sorted in more depth before selling the car (yes I did declare the problem to the new owner and sold it for an absolute song !)ORIGINAL: PSH ...220t early offset, no ABS and with deep dish teledials.....that's pure heaven IMHO....
Suffolk944
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Well its not so bad I guess Andrew [ORIGINAL: andrew_churcherYour current car is stunning though Jon so hardly slumming itORIGINAL: Suffolk944Had exactly that Pete and then sold it [&o] Admittedly there was quite a compression issue in one of the cylinders but wish I had looked into getting it sorted in more depth before selling the car (yes I did declare the problem to the new owner and sold it for an absolute song !)ORIGINAL: PSH ...220t early offset, no ABS and with deep dish teledials.....that's pure heaven IMHO....
] Just a very different feeling car from the early ones.Being as my car gets a mention in this thread I thought I'd just leave this here:
[/URL][/img] Andy's (Hairyarse's) 220 now resides with me although it no longer just has 220bhp... It's the only 951 I've driven so I can't really comment on whether it's better/more fun/notably faster than a 250bhp car, but what I will say that they all need work, just varying degrees of work so as ever it's best to find the best example you can find of any model. They're not exactly in plentiful supply either. I sometime feel like it would be nice to have the extra top end thump, but then again despite mine having a DP WG I also get caught out by lag. They can be a tricky car to drive quickly on the road but that's part of the appeal. What I do know though the difference is mostly just a turbo, which will probably need renewing at some point in the future any way so if the mood/money permits you can always fit something a bit more modern and free-flowing and the earlier car has the stronger engine... But if you want to build a trackslag then the later car with the m030 brakes does make a lot of sense.
although it no longer just has 220bhp... It's the only 951 I've driven so I can't really comment on whether it's better/more fun/notably faster than a 250bhp car, but what I will say that they all need work, just varying degrees of work so as ever it's best to find the best example you can find of any model. They're not exactly in plentiful supply either. I sometime feel like it would be nice to have the extra top end thump, but then again despite mine having a DP WG I also get caught out by lag. They can be a tricky car to drive quickly on the road but that's part of the appeal. What I do know though the difference is mostly just a turbo, which will probably need renewing at some point in the future any way so if the mood/money permits you can always fit something a bit more modern and free-flowing and the earlier car has the stronger engine... But if you want to build a trackslag then the later car with the m030 brakes does make a lot of sense.
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