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Wanted Early 911 for rally car

Cortina

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I'm on the look out for a suitable donor road car (manufactured before end of Dec 1967 - so early 1968 model may do) for historic rally car project ... I will build it !. Must be RHD. Ideal situation would be sound structure (floorpan / torsion bar tube) , but damaged or corroded other bits (sills , wings etc) - engine needing rebuild would suit too
What's out there ?
I have owned a 1973 E since 1985 , that I have restored and would "deal with" if necessary. (clearly a 912 would do too)
 
I may be able to help. RHD 1967S, registered April 1967, originally OLC 9E. Shell is stripped and due to go to have all the paint and underseal removed next week. Engine and gearboox complete but needing rebuild after early 20 years off road. All parts to complete. Email me directly or call 07980 017994

 
ORIGINAL: Nick Moss

I may be able to help. RHD 1967S, registered April 1967, originally OLC 9E. Shell is stripped and due to go to have all the paint and underseal removed next week. Engine and gearboox complete but needing rebuild after early 20 years off road. All parts to complete. Email me directly or call 07980 017994

Nick - do you still have this car? It's not on the Early 911 register ('5E' and '6E' are) - would like to have the details if possible [:)]

Philip
 
I still have the car, I will email you with details. On a similar vein, I was contacted yesterday by someoene organising a rallycross event at Lydden Hill this Easter Monday. They wanted to track down GVB 911D and reunite it with Vic Elford. They had contacted Cornbury House but it seems the Club has not idea of it's whereabouts! I pointed them towards Eoin Sloan as he organised GVB to be at Brands in 2004.

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ORIGINAL: Nick Moss

I still have the car, I will email you with details. On a similar vein, I was contacted yesterday by someoene organising a rallycross event at Lydden Hill this Easter Monday. They wanted to track down GVB 911D and reunite it with Vic Elford. They had contacted Cornbury House but it seems the Club has not idea of it's whereabouts! I pointed them towards Eoin Sloan as he organised GVB to be at Brands in 2004.

One of the first cars I looked for on the register was GVB 911D - sadly she's not listed [:(] I'm also planning on trying to get MMU 911C listed (I know who used to own it around 2002 / 2003).

If you find out, please do let me know - that's one special car [:)]

Philip
 
ORIGINAL: early 911
Give Eion a bell . . . introduce yourself . . . . his bark's worse then his bite.

Thanks Phil - I was going to talk to Eion at the Workers Conference as there are a number of 'cross over' cars - such as ANW 104C and GVB 911D - plus several Early cars saw competition (like ian_uk's) but have 'retired' to more gentle ownership [:D]

I'll definitely make contact with Eion in the next few days.

Philip
 
. . . didn't Eion write in one of his recent articles that he was taking on looking after the early 911's race cars . . . and that 'if he got the job' (like it was open to debate) he'd let us know.

My opinion has always been that such cars should be on both registers (similar to Helens sporto).

Phil
 
ORIGINAL: early 911
My opinion has always been that such cars should be on both registers (similar to Helens sporto).

Phil - I'm with you on this - my Sporto is also on both registers - and this surely is the way things should be.

I'll take advice from above [;)]

Philip
 
Hi Phil some what disturbed by the last 73rs article on historic racers etcMay be the time for a good debate on such cars.The fia thinks its ok,accept for Max Mosley&Eion.
My st racer is not cheap or a replica,but a full blown grp4 73 2.4s!
 
Hi Paul . . . .

You're probably in the best position to talk on this subject (i.e. period race cars vs. puka recreations). I get the feeling from your post you feel 'puka recreations' (my expression and not ment to offend anyone) should be welcomed at events such as classic Le mans. I probably feel the same . . . but not 100%.

Difficult subject . . . that should be debated (with Eion [;)])

Phil



 
Oh Lord - I can tell I'm going to evoke a shouting at me but here goes.....

From my own perspective - a 911 is a 911 - if it's had a racing history - it's still..... a 911. That's how it was born.

Obviously 904, 906, 908, 910 etc all fall outside - including 934 and 935 (which are 930 derivatives, so out of my remit).

As an owner of a 2.7RS (ok, only a Touring, not an FIA eligable Lightweight [;)]) I like the fact that these cars are recorded by David Gilhooley on a seperate register with superb detail down to the service history of the cars - and if some of those have a racing history - that deserves recording seperately too.

By the same token IN MY PERSONAL OPINION a 2.4S "presented as" a 2.7RS is.... a 2.4S - and should be recorded as such - because it wasn't born a 2.7RS. However it should be noted that it is "presented as a 2.7RS".

The race car register is something unique - the data recorded would, I'm sure, include results, drivers, outings etc - and that is different from recording what the car started life as.

All I would like to achieve is a comprehensive picture of where as many as possible of the '64 to '73 911's (exclusing 2.7RSs that aren't in my remit) that are in the country and the Club, are - and what condition they're in - whether they be N, R, S, L, T, E, ST or TR.

Just as those that have Sportomatic transmission are recorded seperately - so should race cars and 2.7RS's - but those that started out as a 911 should also be recorded as such AS WELL.

Just my happenth [;)]

Philip
 
Hi phil i like puka recreations wording.
I dont like to see cars saying what they are not,all this presented as is also meaning less,looking as another car is fine ,but to indicate it is a real car is something that should not be.
There is a big influx of st look alikes about and growing,which will be great if they all get out and compete in them,but hopefully not to many,as its nice that people not knowing what they are.

My 73 2.4s is a good looking copy of my original st,as in colour and looks,but that is as far as it goes.
The 2.4s is called a group 4 race car,as this is what it is now ,even though it has the id of a 2.4s and not my real st[;)]
The group 4 car is far faster and better handling than the puka car,and can also be driven at 10/10ths and not like 7ths with the real one,for several reasons,value which is scary now,but even more important,a piece of racing history as a class winner in the last official targa Florio etc
Classic Lemans is a big misnomer,a lot of the cars you watch are not the real thing either, especially rsr and st etc My group 4 2.4s has its fia id,as in a historic passport for such events.
As to a cheap copy,to race these cars competativly is very expensive,i think it owes me now north of 85k!
Money should not come into it,spoils all the fun.
At the Ring oldtimer last year,i spent a lot of time looking at the detail of most of the porsches racing,a couple were genuine cars,but most were not,but had the fia passport etc,they were very period cars,cost a fortune to race hard etc and were great fun to watch,especially in the rain with Klaus Ludwig at the wheel in a winning st with a 2.8rsr motor! very impressive 8 min 40 in the wet!!

I had a special interest in the 906 cars,as i hope to race my car there this year,2 of the 906 cars at the same meeting had the same chassis number and FIA docs,there is even a third car with the same number,work that one out.
All this is realy to say,that as a true enthusiast,its very difficult to understand the whole picture of early race cars and todays racing in period looking cars etc Its a real mine field,And there for very difficult to comment on .
A certain tour Competition last year had a 3.0rsr with 964 rs brakes and discs!and a 3.5 engine.

pmjt your comments are valid for sure,also your 2.7rs can get fia docs if you so wish,it does not need to be a lightweight as i am sure you are aware of. The only thing i would add is that 911 racers are 911 racers [;)].and not standard production cars.
 
ORIGINAL: paul howells
pmjt your comments are valid for sure,also your 2.7rs can get fia docs if you so wish,it does not need to be a lightweight as i am sure you are aware of. The only thing i would add is that 911 racers are 911 racers [;)].and not standard production cars.

Paul - fair comment - but I'm refering to cars like GVB 911D - she started life as a 911 130bhp but became a race car (906 cams, barrels etc.) in the hands of AFN.

I know what you mean about values of an ST - someone wants to swap my 959 prototype for a RHD ST - I'd LOVE to - but what the hell would I use it for? I haven't got the balls to campaign it properly so it'd become a garage queen - which is NOT what it was built for [:D] I'm still tempted though [;)]

Philip
 
As we're talking FIA papers etc ...

Could someone explain to me in a simple paragraph what you have to do to get FIA papers and what models (or how to find out what models) are recognised for the 911 early 70s. Is it just the RS or are others allowed to be registered?

If so what classes can the lesser cars T, E, S cars race in?

BTW I know of a 73E that is currently being rebuilt using pukka RS parts including engine that the FIA have said will be accepted as a 2.7RS for FIA papers purposes.

Ian.
 
If you are thinking st,give me a call or pm me,my st is a original ex factory car and now for sale.
St cars need very carefull inspection of chassis and production numbers etc,factory letters are no longer reliable sadly.
Ian,i will have a go at answering your post later tonight.Basicaly you can fia passport any car.The difficult part is choosing what type of racing you want to do,and also what will be competative.
 
ORIGINAL: early 911
someone wants to swap my 959 prototype for a RHD ST
- do it, you know you want to.

Trouble is - he ALSO wants a chunk of change from me - I'm not sure what I'd do with it - apart from hoon it around the lanes listening to the glorious engine noise at 8,000rpm [:D]

The BIGGEST problem I have is that having had the RS out for the run down to the Ace I'm addicted all over again - normally she stays locked up and away from the salt until March - but where the weather was SO good she had to go and play - now the 'big freeze' has come again I daren't take her out - and I WANT to [:mad:]

Cleaned and polished my daily driver over the weekend - went five miles up the road to Sainsbury's, then five miles back again - it's COVERED in salt!

[:D]

Philip
 

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