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WARRANTY SURVEY

davidcross

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I know its been a very boring and time consuming subject but is there any idea what percentage of owners will be renewing official warranties with Porsche. Im curious as mine is due up in june and before i know it ill get getting the renewal letter. Ive been in the "forget it" camp but reallu unsure as to what to do.
 
No idea what the percentage take up will be but I think I will probably go for the the two year option, it's just a shame that it will be out of sync with the car's two year service interval.

As I have said before - on average all insurance will cost more than it pays out so it comes down to personal choice and attitude to risk. The calculation that we all make, either consciously or sub-consciously, is one of risk vs impact - the probability of your house burning down is very low but should this happen the impact is so high that I doubt that many here would fore-go buildings insurance.
 
My 997 CS will be 2 years old on the 1st March and I have been considering the benefits of extending the warranty for another year with PGB. Like many I'm trying to cut down on expediture during these tough times. I have considered selling my car but the dramatic drop in value means that I'm better off keeping it and to be honest I love the car. However I am keen to keep running costs to a minimum whilst being sensible about its up keep. So at present I am faced with the following overheads:

1. 2 year service including brake fluid change.
2. 2 new rear tyres (Michelen Pilot Sport 2's)
3. Waranty extension.

Having searched the forum for tyre suppliers I have contacted both Wembley Tyres and Elite Direct who are preared to supply and fit the tyres for £250 + VAT which I am very pleased with. I am happy to extend the warranty however I wanted to have the first service carried out by a local independent specialist JZM. JZM will service the car for approx £380 compared to the £600 required by my OPC. The problem is that if I subsequently buy the waranty from Porsche they will insist on carrying out a full service on the car because it does not have a full porsche service history! That would void any cost saving I made going to JZM. As many of you know we are all entitled to use an independent during our initial factory waranty under the block exemption rules that apply to manufacturer's waranties. Porsche have applied conditions to our extended waranties to try and ensure we don't do this. I personally believe that certain independents do a better job than local OPC's so I'm happy to make the saving. I decided to approach Porsche GB with the following proposal:

"If I were to buy my warranty on the 6th Feb then, at that point in time, my car would not have been outside the network thus qualifying. If I then decided to have my car serviced by JZM on the 7th Feb then I would simply be making use of the block exemption rules that apply to intial manufacturer's warranties. As my extended waranty would not start until the 1st March, I could not see how choosing to service my car at JZM would have me in breech of their conditions". This would secure an extended waranty on the car but afford me a considerable saving on my first service. The response was varied but I managed to get a final answer confirming that I was ok to go ahead on that basis and the notes have been recorded on my file at PGB. I know that further work after the 1st March will need to go theough an OPC to remian covered by the warranty but my main concern was trying to keep my immediate overheads down.

As a long standing Porsche customer I am disappointed with their attitude to customers at present and I think their views on warranty extensions are creating ill feeling from clients. People are being refused waranty extensions for silly reasons such as having tinted windows (even though they were fitted by the OPC at purchase), for having a battery that isn't original and to take the biscuit they even had to check that the Paintshield film on the front of my car was ok because it isn't an approved part!!! Seriously that took half an hour to confirm!! God knows what they'll do if they find out that the dealer put Diamond Brite on the car [:-]!! My local OPC has confirmed that warranty applications and approvals have fallen off massively, a fact also confirmed by Porsche Reading (OPC). I'm sure that Porsche have their reasons for making these changes but its hard to accept them when they seem so biase towards the manufacturer and dealer network.

The above said I have never owned a car without a warranty and would feel happier keeping the car protected but these new waranty conditions are hardly designed with treating customers fairly in mind. I appreciate many will have their own opinions and in truth if times were easier then I may have simply opted to bite the bullet and pay £600+ for the OPC service - but they're not. Each to their own but I'm sure there must be other owners that have either had similar experiences or have other interesting views on what seems to be a hot topic at the moment.

 
We have a GT3 on which I have extended the warranty, and a 987'S' on which I will probably extend the warranty when the current one expires.

Porsche are currently 'refreshing' the engine on my 36 year old RS, and that will have 12 months parts and labour warranty.

I read somewhere else that the extended warranty in Germany is Euros 2,300 [:-]
 
Will renew but only because of fear of major failures, its a engine pop that really sh*ts me up [:(] Keep trying to tell the I want a Turbo for 17K brigade, they are not cheap to run they argue with conviction, little do they know [;)]

 
" JZM will service the car for approx £380 compared to the £600 required by my OPC."

and jonas at JZ(who have looked after all my porsches superbly)said that by the time mine goes in for MOT later this month he will have his own JZ warranty available to purchase at cost much less than OPC warranty.it is my plan to purchase his warranty which sounds like it will cover virtually all opc one would,as like you i dont like the idea of not being covered
 
ORIGINAL: uccplc
. . . JZM will service the car for approx £380 compared to the £600 required by my OPC. . .

OPC should not cost that much - in August 2008 for 1st service, including brake fluid change, I paid £399.71 net of PCGB discount, however, I did provide my own oil and specified no new wipers and no screen wash refill.
 
Buying the warranty does of course buy peace of mind. However over the period that I intend owning my C2 I may have paid over £10k in warranty premiums. Surely I would have to be very unlucky to claim more than this - how many times can an engine go pop?

There is also the Sales of Goods Act to consider. I bought my car from Cambridge OPC for £56k and a term of the contract is that is is of satisfactory quality and fit for its purpose taking into account what it is and the cost of purchase. I have done 13000 miles in the car and drive it carefully (I average just short of 30 miles to the gallon and seem to use no oil). If the engine went pop due to some inherent fault I should be able to sue the dealer for the cost of putting it right within 6 years of the date of purchase. The issue is whether I really want the hassle.

I have not made my mind up yet - I may even have to let the car go which is a shame because I love it and have worked hard 20 years to get it.
 
A colleage has been exchanging lengthy letters with Porsche GB over the warranty costs and the inconsistencies of OPCs in applying the rules. The crux of the responses seem to be..

1. Porsche were losing money on the old warranty system
2. There is an inference that OPCs were claiming things that shouldn't have been replaced (Porsche GB upset by their standardised labour costs ???)
3. The new warranty offers greater cover blah blah blah.

Look at it this way...

your car insurance covers you, other drivers and the cost of the car plus third party claims (including medical) for say £700 pa - there is no inspection prior to issuing the insurance , other than an MOT where applicable.
Porsche want double that figure for their insurance policy, that at most (turbo and GT3 aside) for a single claim will not exceed more than £14k for an engine replacement.

I don't envy 997 owners and their decisions on warranty renewal - at least with Boxsters you can get cover from Tesco for £420pa for their top policy.
 
Interpretation:
1. higher cost => the probability of problems is higher than Porsche originally anticipated, i.e. the vehicle is not as reliable as originally expected?
2. they are trying to maximise profit.

If other companies can offer an equivalent warranty at significantly less cost then 2 might have more bearing than 1. I would suspect take-up is significantly down as Porsche have not rightly considered how many owners will question the value before paying for such a price-hike; even if there is additional cover over the original the inherent cost of this is unadvertised...
 
Just been reading an article about buying your OPC warranty in Europe..
A fair bit of research to do but it looks as if you may be able to buy your OPC warranty in Europe without all the small clauses included like we are seeing..
The cover is the same as we would buy here - as in full European cover (read UK)

Looks more and more as if it may be Porsche car GB that are raising the bar so high!!
As I say a fair bit of research to do as yet.... bear in mind the European cover due to our most excellent GBP is actually more money!

garyw
 
ORIGINAL: Porrohman

Which companies are offering warranty cover on a 997?
numerous now!!as o mentioned ,JZ machtech about to and there are others mentioned on other threads here who also do.
and a fair bit cheaper..not that thats difficult!
 
ORIGINAL: Porrohman

Which companies are offering warranty cover on a 997?

Tech 9 are offering a warranty for £1,295 which is based on an AA scheme (from memory) as opposed to the Porsche cost of £1,400. It is tailored to suit Porsche vehicles and will cover you at any reputable independent which will help with on going service costs. I am aware that JZ are looking to offer a warranty scheme which they will also offer to other independents to sell. As I understand from Steve they are still working on the detail of the policy and will need to await their accreditation from the FSA in order to sell it. Tech 9 have now received their FSA approval. I'm not aware of the cost of the JZ policy.

I'm beginning to think that the general cost of warrantying these vehicles has simply increased due to the cost of claims over the life of the 997. The Tech 9 warranty is still a good £300 more than the previous Porsche 1 year warranty extension.

To be fair I wouldn't have as much of an issue if Porsche offered a standard 3 year manufacturer's warranty like most other manufacturers. Still I knew that at the point of sale but it would really help those customers that tend to keep them for a 3 year period.

 
I wonder if Porsche GB would show good will on an engine replacement if you had previously had the Porsche warranty and simply let it lapse (ie didn't go elsewhere)?
 
ORIGINAL: spyderman

I wonder if Porsche GB would show good will on an engine replacement if you had previously had the Porsche warranty and simply let it lapse (ie didn't go elsewhere)?

I'm told by OPC's that if the vehicle has a full porsche service history and not modified then a goodwill gesture would be made. I've no idea what the percentge would be and I assume that if you have a reputable independent like JZM fighting your corner then Porsche are likely to make it more difficult. Its all subjective unless anyone has any practicle experience??
 
all interesting stuff. i wont take the car out of the opc service network but ive drawn the conclusion that running costs are spiraling out of control these days and in the event i get a serious engine problem i can ask for a "good will" gesture if i keep the car serviced by OPC"S. My next service ill be shelling out for brake discs, pads, tyres and a ton of other "incidentals" so i cud do with the saving on warranty. Im happy with the car being serviced by porsche and for as long as i have the car ill stick to that. Also ive learnt to trust OPC Colchester. They have been very fair in recent times. Thanks all
 
i guess the bottom line,david ,with regard to both servicing and warranty, is that you need to do what you will be happy with and not worry about.
 
yes exactly right matey. i know of 3 other people with 911"s that nerver bothered with warrantys and one of them got porsche to replace an engine after 3 yrs as the car had only done 10k miles and went bang. Porsche assist was handy the other day when the battery died thou i have to admit but id rather not see them too aften to be honest!!!
 
Well I have a potential problem in that my phone module no longer works (I never used it anyway!)

OPC Cambridge think that to renew the warranty, I would need to replace the module before I can take out a new warranty.

The module costs around £800 plus VAT and fitting so I think this is grossly unfair that I can't renew (or the next buyer of my car) for something they'll never use.

I've asked them to check with Reading to see if the module can be excluded in the new warranty.... and this could be a deal breaker as I'm potentially selling the car
 

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