What are the differences between 944's and 968's
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Neil Haughey
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Don't have that problem in my race car, easier breathing exhaust and ignition tune up usually cures most of that. The last part is rather simple, get shot of the organ pedal and replace with a small metal pedal straight onto the lever which runs in the back of the pedal. It will hit 4k from idle just with a sharp dab on the pedal.
Neil Haughey
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Firstly I seriously doubt any of the claims about reliable turbo power, how many of these engines are raced rather than occasionally given 3 or 4 seconds of gas on the street. Secondly I don't really like turbocharging, not because of lag in general coming onto throttle initially but the lag in coming back off it again and then reapplying throttle in a situation such as cornering. I also can't stand how they sound and the 944 turbo in particular is one of the worst sounding cars ever made, like a demented evil hair dryer. Thirdly I am not personally planning on doing anything along these lines with the cars and that wasn't the point, the usual line of just saying if one wants power here is the turbo version is just a bit embarrassing really. No one would say that to the legions of 911 owners who have enjoyed over 50 years of NA tuning. Fourthly I don't care about anything Alfa other than the V6 engine and how they made it sound which is what I was saying, if I liked those cars I would be driving one rather than a 944 but I don't as engines aside they don't really appeal to me.
MarkK s turbo has run 400+ for 8-9 years with 20000 miles and quite a few track days, been reliable with just regular servicing.
pauljmcnulty
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I don't think the original question was about track cars, race cars, or even modified cars in particular?
Going back to road cars, the Porsche 4-cylinder engine offers everything you need in the different guises: from a 924S to a 968, there really isn't a weak spot in the range is there?
Noise often comes up. I was in a supermarket car park recently when a C63 pulled away. Not fast, probably didn't get to 20, but the reaction was every head turned and it wasn't positive.
Personally, I don't want to attract that attention: leave it to the kids with huge exhausts, or mid-life-crisis guys in the AMG cars. I'd rather have a car that doesn't make too much noise. [&:]
Going back to road cars, the Porsche 4-cylinder engine offers everything you need in the different guises: from a 924S to a 968, there really isn't a weak spot in the range is there?
Noise often comes up. I was in a supermarket car park recently when a C63 pulled away. Not fast, probably didn't get to 20, but the reaction was every head turned and it wasn't positive.
Personally, I don't want to attract that attention: leave it to the kids with huge exhausts, or mid-life-crisis guys in the AMG cars. I'd rather have a car that doesn't make too much noise. [&:]
Waylander
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The original topic was what's the difference
Simples a 944 is a 944 you got what you wanted, a 968 is a 968 aand that's it
If you think you should have what the other has or does not have go buy one
All this about fords nd alfas and exhausts you can fit your head in, are your sure you own the right car?
Simples a 944 is a 944 you got what you wanted, a 968 is a 968 aand that's it
If you think you should have what the other has or does not have go buy one
All this about fords nd alfas and exhausts you can fit your head in, are your sure you own the right car?
I'll jump in here now as I asked the question originally. I'll expand to come back on topic. When driving both cars what are the significant differences? Are the seats different, driving position, are the switches in a different place? Same pull as an S2? Are they as hardwearing internally? Most seem to have cloth seats. I've never driven one but they sit well on the road and sound like a good development of the S2?
Just intrigued, my long gone youth is telling me 944 but I'm curious.
Just intrigued, my long gone youth is telling me 944 but I'm curious.
pauljmcnulty
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It's all near identical to the series two 944 inside. Personally, if I was offered an S2 and a standard 968 in identical condition at an identical price I'd take the 944 on looks, others would take the 968. I think overall condition is more important to how they drive now, than having 30BHP more when they were brand new.
Other 944s or the sport/CS 968s are a different comparison, oranges and apples.
Cloth seats are nicer than leather in many ways, especially if you don't have working aircon!
Chrishazle
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In my first 944 (1983 lux) there was no vertical adjustment to the drivers seat, so my wife never liked it as she likes the seat up high. We swopped the lux for a 1986 944S 16v to get this, but never took to the lack of bottom end torque in that engine, so only kept that for about 18 months before getting the 968 tip coupe - which we kept for 12 1/2 years before scratching the cabriolet itch (a retirement promise I made myself many years ago) with guess what - a 968 tip cab!
The other comment I would make about seats - ignoring the fibreglass things in CS's which, if I ever got into, I'd never be able to get out!! - is the difference between comfort and sports seats. My coupe had comfort seats with Porsche cloth 1/2 leather. They were comfortable, but the lower side and shoulder bolsters gave not enough support when driving enthusiastically. They were, however, easy getting in and out. The cab has full leather sports seats. These are more difficult on entry and exit, but once in are really comfortable - and give good support when driving enthusiastically. As Paul says above, leather can be a bit awkward on entry on really hot or really cold days, but in a cab if it's hot you have the roof down, and if it's really cold you tend to leave her in her garage! Our shopping trolley is also full leather, with aircon. From choice I would go for leather over cloth.
The other difference between 944's and 968 seems to be supply/scarcity and thus price. There are very few 968's on the road, CS prices are going silly, Sports are starting to follow suit, even the slightly derided coupe (especially tip) is following slowly upward in value- and if you are ever lucky enough to get hands on a 968 turbo or turbo S - it's an investment purchase! It seems a few 944's are also starting to get such recognition, but many are not so prices remain lower than perhaps they should be.
The other comment I would make about seats - ignoring the fibreglass things in CS's which, if I ever got into, I'd never be able to get out!! - is the difference between comfort and sports seats. My coupe had comfort seats with Porsche cloth 1/2 leather. They were comfortable, but the lower side and shoulder bolsters gave not enough support when driving enthusiastically. They were, however, easy getting in and out. The cab has full leather sports seats. These are more difficult on entry and exit, but once in are really comfortable - and give good support when driving enthusiastically. As Paul says above, leather can be a bit awkward on entry on really hot or really cold days, but in a cab if it's hot you have the roof down, and if it's really cold you tend to leave her in her garage! Our shopping trolley is also full leather, with aircon. From choice I would go for leather over cloth.
The other difference between 944's and 968 seems to be supply/scarcity and thus price. There are very few 968's on the road, CS prices are going silly, Sports are starting to follow suit, even the slightly derided coupe (especially tip) is following slowly upward in value- and if you are ever lucky enough to get hands on a 968 turbo or turbo S - it's an investment purchase! It seems a few 944's are also starting to get such recognition, but many are not so prices remain lower than perhaps they should be.
OLD_ian
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I've got a 1986 944 with the run of the mill 2.5 8v. The 968 Sport I took for a test drive recently felt pretty much exactly the same except with everything turned up to 11. The acceleration, the brakes, the cornering. Pretty much just more of the same thing, which i didn't think was a bad thing at all.
pauljmcnulty
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Chris, there are models in both the 944 and 968 ranges that are rare, and will always be ahead of the market. Auto needs to be excluded, as there's no option on the faster 944s so you only have the choice of a nice 968 auto, or a 944 Lux strangled by a prehistoric auto box!
The only comparable 944 to a standard 968 is the S2 it's based on. There are around three times the number of S2s still registered, compared to the 968, so there is an argument they have a greater value because of the rarity.
I wonder if you need to factor spares in to that, though? The bridge spoiler alone costs the price of a 944 Lux with an MOT, the unique 968 panels are rare compared to the S2 that shares parts with the turbo. Will the 968-unique parts become so expensive that the S2 is the better option?
The only comparable 944 to a standard 968 is the S2 it's based on. There are around three times the number of S2s still registered, compared to the 968, so there is an argument they have a greater value because of the rarity.
I wonder if you need to factor spares in to that, though? The bridge spoiler alone costs the price of a 944 Lux with an MOT, the unique 968 panels are rare compared to the S2 that shares parts with the turbo. Will the 968-unique parts become so expensive that the S2 is the better option?
Rather than start another topic (feel free to shift it if you think this has gone off-topic enough Paul), but a thought occurred to me from this I'll throw into the debate: I reckon there are arguably more differences between a 968 and a 944 than there were between a 924 and 944 - yet no-one ever really suggests that a 944 is a 924 S2 in the same way as they do a 968 is of a 944.
pauljmcnulty
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I disagree, Tref.
I think most of us see the progression of the standard road models. 924 introduced the format, 944 added a bit of "butch", whilst the 924S gained the engine the car had been crying out for.
The series 2 944 developed it into a more mature car, added a proper cab to the range, and the Turbo and 16V families divided in to two clear lines with different characters.
The 968 morely followed one of those lines, arguably developing it to perfection in the CS and sport.
The 968 Tip offered a proper auto option for the first time.
Strange they never developed the turbos further, but there is always the "it would have thrashed the 911" argument there. I tihnk it's because they were bought by the wrong type of person. [
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I think there are very close links between a 924 and a series one 944, as there are between an S2 and a standard 968. To me, the big leap is the series 2 cars: there's a huge gulf between a turbo or S2 and a 924 2.0: far greater than that between a late 944 and a 968.
I think most of us see the progression of the standard road models. 924 introduced the format, 944 added a bit of "butch", whilst the 924S gained the engine the car had been crying out for.
The series 2 944 developed it into a more mature car, added a proper cab to the range, and the Turbo and 16V families divided in to two clear lines with different characters.
The 968 morely followed one of those lines, arguably developing it to perfection in the CS and sport.
The 968 Tip offered a proper auto option for the first time.
Strange they never developed the turbos further, but there is always the "it would have thrashed the 911" argument there. I tihnk it's because they were bought by the wrong type of person. [
]I think there are very close links between a 924 and a series one 944, as there are between an S2 and a standard 968. To me, the big leap is the series 2 cars: there's a huge gulf between a turbo or S2 and a 924 2.0: far greater than that between a late 944 and a 968.
Neil Haughey
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Please don't perpetuate nonsense like this, if you have ever actually seen a 968 close in the flesh or owned one you would know this is complete and utter nonsense.
I must admit it was the differenc ebetween an early dash 944 and 924 I was thinking of... there are very subtle differences, such as a "ledge" on the bulkhead, and difference in depth of chassis rails that most people wouldn't even notice, but in exactly the same way there are similar subtle differences on the late 944 to 968 - to start with all the panels are "sculpted" under the plastic...
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