What Brake Pads?

[Diver944]

ORIGINAL: 944Turbo
isn' t brilliant at standing starts unless you abuse the clutch - which I am not prepared to do

Hmmmmm [8|] Thats not how I remember the standing start we did at Tetre Rouge cafe. The strong burning smell was definitely not rubber []

This discussion is really interesting, it' s what this forum is all about. The comparison between similar powered cars and the way they deliver that power is always fascinating to me. Our 944 Turbos have so much lag compared to the crisp delivery of a 3.2 flat six off the line, but when the boost comes in the shove in the back is addictive.

p.s. I had my eyes closed in the passenger seat [] but I' ll be in my own car this year

 

[944Turbo]

I use greenstuff on the front OPC on the rear - no problems after 2 trackdays - Castle Combe and Donnington and the a few laps of the ring last year.

They were an improvement over the originals but then I put new discs and fluid at the same time also cleaned slider plates so comparison is not really valid. (plus I have a 944T and this is the 3.2 carrera forum!

Now back to the real reason for my Posting, Richard was following us closely the other way down the Mulsanne, he held well back (wisely) the one and only time I abused the clutch at Tetre-Rouge [&:]

Tony

 

[Guest]

Are you back this year?

Yes. Just a quick trip this year - going down Thursday night and back Monday. Doing the whole PCGB thing.

Will keep an eye out for you.

Richard

 

[Jamie Summers]

Well I' ve finally bitten the bullet and decided to go for it ! The car' s booked in to Chelsea Carrera on the 17th to have :
1. Turbo tie rods
2. Mintex 1144 pads all round
3. New Dot 4 brake fluid
4. Braided brake hoses
5. New set of Toyo T1-S all round
6. Set of 7' ' Fuchs on the front (just for good measure !)
7. Finally a full 4 wheel alignment

With any luck this is going to go some way to addressing the issues I' ve been having with getting the damned thing to stop and go round corners.

Results to be seen on a track near you soon ........

Jamie

 

[Robbiemeister]

Don' t fit braded hoses to the rear of a 944. There is a risk of brake failure.

I' ll try to dig out the stufff and post it.

 

[Jamie Summers]

Just as well mine' s a 911 then []

 

[Guest]

Don' t fit braded hoses to the rear of a 944. There is a risk of brake failure.

I' ll try to dig out the stufff and post it.

Just as well mine' s a 911 then

Pay attention Robbie, you' re on the 3.2 forum now.

 

[Guest]

Pay attention Robbie, you' re on the 3.2 forum now.

Now there' s an idea - I don' t always read the register name, either.

 

[Robbiemeister]

Der! Sorry.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.....

 

[Guest]

Well I' ve finally bitten the bullet and decided to go for it ! The car' s booked in to Chelsea Carrera on the 17th to have :
1. Turbo tie rods
2. Mintex 1144 pads all round
3. New Dot 4 brake fluid
4. Braided brake hoses
5. New set of Toyo T1-S all round
6. Set of 7' ' Fuchs on the front (just for good measure !)
7. Finally a full 4 wheel alignment

Hi Jamie,

I will be very interested to hear your impressions after the 17th - I suspect that you will really like it. If you are feeling really flush you might consider a set of sport Bilsteins as well [] they are a fair bit stiffer than the OE Boge. Then again, maybe you should save those until you realise you *need* bigger anti-roll bars and stiffer torsion bars and more horsepower....

Richard

 

[Jamie Summers]

Richard,
Yeah, the Bilsteins are the next obvious step - I' ll have to wait until my wallet recovers from the mugging it' s about to get ! Minor change of plan, rather than the Mintex pads I' ve had my arm twisted into going for the Porterfields by Colin at Ninemeister - he says it' s not that the Mintex are bad, it' s just that the Porterfields are absolutely perfect for a 3.2 - they' d better be at twice the price ! We' ll see ! So far I' ve resisted the temptation to go for more power until such time as I' m sure the handling is spot on - after that it looks like a very slippery slope ! Top end rebuild, new ECU, full sports exhaust, hot film, 3.6 conversion, supercharge, Nos, aaaaaargggghhhhh stop !!!!!!!!!

By the way, whilst trying to source some tyres (I was trying to get a quote for some SO-2' s for comparison with the Toyo' s), I was offered a set of ' N2' rated SO-1' s, obviously older and even more discontinued than the SO-2' s does anyone out there have a strong opinion on these ?

Jamie

 

[Guest]

I have used the Porterfields and they are good but the price is certainly steap. I am trying Mintex 1155s for the track (at half the price). IMHO the Porterfields were no better than the Pagid Blue compound.

I personally dislike SO1s. They are old technology now. My experience is limited to fairly well worn SO1s on a 964 C4. In the wet, not pouring wet, I found it difficult to keep up with a Holden Commodore (New Zealand equivalent of a big Vauxhall). One big slide at around 120km/h and then a huge fishtailing full opposite lock monster tank slapper convinced me of two things. One, I dislike SO1s and two, the C4 is a counterintuitive drive compared to other 911s.

The Toyo T1S is a great tyre. Don' t over think it.

Richard

 

[ClubSport 911]

Where does this " S02' s are discontinued" rumour come from ?
- 4 weeks ago, I had 2 rear S02' s fitted by Hi-Q in Bedford (they were on back order) and this coming weekend I' m having the front' s done...again they were on back order so new stock.

Now, interestingly enough, he ( the hi-q man) remarked " you can' t get 4 tyres, but only 2 at a time"

Spooky yes....unobtainable, no.

 

[Jamie Summers]

Had the car back for a week now and from the word go the difference has been noticeable. Having only done one motorway drive and a bit round town I can' t really testify to the improvement in turn in or grip due to the new tyres / rod ends / wheel alignment - I' ll find all of that out on the track next weekend. But the brakes are changed beyond all recognition. You really get a sensation that the car wants to stop when you hit the middle pedal rather than the rather unconvincing " I might think about stopping if you press really hard" that I had before - and this is before the pads are even properly worn in - by the way does anyone have any tips for bedding new pads in ?
Motorway handling feels much more assured now, due in some part at least I' m sure to the better tyres and newly balanced wheels - no vibration or skittishness at all even at 115 mph (keep it quiet or I' ll get banned []).
Whilst I was emptying my wallet I decided to go for a set of 7" Fuchs for the front(now running 7s and 8s), not sure that they do anything much for the handling but they look the dog' s doodaahs. £200 plus my old 6" from Jasmine - not the cheapest I' m sure but zero hassle !
All in all I' m very pleased with the upgrades so far - how it all bears up under a bit more pressure I' ll report after I' ve had it on the track - can' t wait !

Jamie

 

[Guest]

Great stuff Jamie. Good to hear that the car is transformed.

Which track day are you going to? I think you will notice the difference the 7s make on track - any kind of long steady state corner and you will (hopefully) feel that extra front track giving a little more bite and the wider rims preventing a little tyre rollover. It is fairly obvious somewhere like Bedford with lots of hairpin-ish corners, less obvious at a fast flowing track like say Goodwood.

Take care with all that new found stop, grip and handling - and enjoy!

Richard

 

[Jamie Summers]

I' m doing that Drive Action handling day again (the one I posted about a couple of months ago), this time organised by the 911uk.com site (couple of spaces left by the way if anyone is interested). This will give me a direct comparison to see what the upgrades have really done for the car - I have a feeling I won' t be disappointed !

Looking forward to it !

Jamie

 

[DBA]

On the subject of Braking

does anyone have any experience with changing the discs to drilled ones?

Ant

 

[Guest]

The " expert" opinion on drilled discs is that they offer very little benefit other than the obvious cosmetic one. The real downside is that they are prone to cracking. The slotted discs are a better bet, but most suggest that the standard OE rotor is by far the best value for money. Save your cash for good brake pads and sticky tyres.

Try asking your local friendly specialist whether the drilled discs are worthwhile. I am confident they will confirm the " expert" view. For example, I think this is the view that is expressed on the ninemeister site.

Richard

 

[Guest]

I have also heard that the brake dust can build up in the holes, to the extent that the pads can be ' lifted' slightly off the discs. Something tells me that even professional racing teams have this problem, but they can, of course, correct it at the pit stops.

 

[DBA]

Thanks, that saves some cash.