Whats it worth?

[sheep911uk]

May be selling my A reg 944 lux,body is good for year paint faded in places,water gathers in rear passenger footwell(sunroof?)interior ok,good teledials,good engine just had new belts,could do with new idlers,pas, all electrics work,no mot definately needs 1 engine mounting +handbrake cable.
What should i be asking for it?

 

[dlknight]

£350 ?!??! [][][][]

You will almost definetly get more than £1000 on ebay...

Cheers

Dave K.

 

[Mark_Bennett]

Don't spoil it! - I was about to offer him £360...[]

 

[John Sims]

I would have gone to £355, so I'd sell it to Mark straight away. That said, if you accepted his offer, I bet he would try to back out [].

The trouble with pre oval dash cars is that later Lux's were so good that they do devalue the earlier cars by comparison.

This isn't necessarily just because of the interior. I quite like the earlier interior, and with so many contemporary retro chic designs about, the original retro interior almost looks more modern than the later interior. [8|]

There were so many changes on the post 87 cars (in addition to the oval dash) including, alloy wishbones and trailing links, upgraded brakes, upgraded suspension, flush windscreen, integrated windscreen aerial, battery in the boot, upgraded wheel bearings, better ventilation, better seating position, increased alternator capacity, increased sump and oil pump capacity, increased fuel tank capacity (now made of polyurethane), possible ABS, revised transaxel mounting, etc. etc. Aside body shape, pre and post oval dash cars are almost a different car.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[Fen]

In all seriousness if you get offered anything over a grand then take it would be my advice.

 

[berg944]

I quite like the earlier interior, and with so many contemporary retro chic designs about, the original retro interior almost looks more modern than the later interior.

I agree, I have both dash types and prefer the round style as it seems more modern.......I have replaced the yellow clocks for green (924 turbo) to match the paint. Also add alloy bezels.

I would always choose to drive with the oval dash on a cold winters morning as it demists in seconds, superior wipers and far better heater control.

Mike[:'(]

 

[sheep911uk]

Thanks guys e bay it is then!!

 

[Frenchy]

First of all don't sell, that looks great with the provenance you mention and condition as described i would want near enough 7k. But 5 and a bit may be more realistic at this moment in time, they are seriously undervalued, good ones will rise in value as they become scarcer, store it as an inheritance for the kids !

 

[ukmastiff]

History and condition being the key , many sellers have ' a wad of history' but for a genuine valuation folk would need has it been regularly serviced and if so by you or by a specialist , does it have a leather interior , when was the last water pump / belt / clutch change etc etc. These are all seriously expensive jobs and must effect a valuation.

I wouldnt want the reg because it has a d at the front and is just another plate to me but others might. I take the view its obvious its a 944 so why have it on the reg but others might see it differently.

Anything frm 3,500 to 5,000 probably is my answer depending on what jobs have been done recently ( in years not miles) . If you got more thn 5,000 for a 220 944 Turbo it would have to be seriously exceptional at the mo []

Being as I have posted first everyone can disagree and toast my opinion now lol , happy new year

Mas

( edit Frenchy beet me to the post button lol)

 

[ever88]

service history complete in books and last service at 86k

belts and water pump done at 83k for reference.

thanks for the reg info!

any others to offer a valuation 3500 to 7000 is quite a wide one. I personally thought around 6k but the market is funny with such motors.

january is not the best time to sell also. was perhasps thinking sometime in the spring

 

[Lowtimer]

Looks lovely.
To give a sensible valuation specific to the individual vehicle one has to jknow what needs doing to it over the next year or so.:
When did it last have belts and water pump?
When did it last have a head gasket?
What sort of shape are the brake calipers in (though since it is an early Turbo it may not have the plate-lift problam that we get on the late ones)
Is it on the original clutch (I imagine so at that mileage)
Has it had a complete suspension rebuild any time in the last three years, or is it on all the original bushes and dampers?
Do you have any pictures of the insides of the sills?
What paint has it had, and how long ago?

Do you have any pictures of the interior?
Is everything working? Air con, clock, windscreen washers, boot release, etc etc etc?

 

[simkin911]

I agree with the earlier posts. As a buyer, whilst I'd like a stamped up service book and lots of history, I'd be more interested in seeing bills within last few years for belts, water pump, clutch and gearbox rebuild? I'd also be looking for the sills to be in good nick. I'd prefer to see a higher mileage with more big jobs taken care of rather than a lower mileage with jobs around the corner.

A full leather interior would also tick another box for me.

I suspect a 250 bhp will tick more boxes than a 220 version.

However, your car looks nice and sounds nice. I'd be more than happy to see it on my driveway. Price wise - what would I pay? Not sure from the details given. Are there any suitable enhancements? As a buyer, I wouldn't expect to pick up an excellent 220 bhp turbo for less than £5k and maybe £6k for a 250bhp model? Notice I'm saying "excellent" and "less than".

Some cars are worth more than this and others much much less. At the other end of the market, I've spotted two early turbos for £1800 and £2000 (pistonheads) and three 250 bhp turbos for between £2250 and £3k (although two were repaired Cat Ds). Some take the view that it's better to buy cheaply but wisely and use the savings to "sort the car" yourself. Others will prefer to buy the best but I'm never convinced that any 20 year old or more car will be not require anything at all.

Others may have an entirely different view....

Not a great time to sell really but on a positive side - there's not many good ones for sale at present.

 

[Frenchy]

I have both 250 and a 220, though the 250 is around 310, the 220 will be getting tweaked shortly, the 220 is a nicer car to drive for everyday use, if you are going to sell wait for better weather and possibly attend a car/club show as these are good places to sell.
As already said recent (in time not miles) belts is a big thumbs up, there is a late model turbo for sale at 10k somewhere, for a few hundred quid the 220 can easily see270/280 BHP and better torque another good selling point if people wnanted to up the power.

Too slow MAS.................you got a drink there ?

 

[ukmastiff]

Lol , not a drop yet I'm off out in an hour or so , so I should have a glass shouldn't I.

You still don't say who has serviced the car but Just to add you have now added the info re the belts and water pump ( many only do the belts) exactly as I asked so assuming its a specialist service history so you can instantly add 500 to my valuation it is now 4,000 to 5,000. I still defy anyone to get more than 5,000 for a 220 turbo today unless it is really something exceptional. This is the trouble , there is a top end value whatever you spend as all the enthusiasts know very well when spending on their much loved cars. I have bought (and sold) two 220bhp 944's in the last year and have viewed many and have watched lots sell and NOT sell. I just can't stick with any car it's my nature

Is it just me or does that little boys face say " You what sell the Porsche ! "

Cheers

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: ukmastiff
Is it just me or does that little boys face say " You what sell the Porsche ! "

Definitely! And the young lady is about to cry at the very notion!


Oli.

 

[Frenchy]

I advertised my 86 220 , i was looking at £5995 earlier in the year, again massive history great condition, all the right jobs done, never got a sniff, but not really that bothered that it did not shift.

 

[JM1962]

Frenchy

I was interested in your 86 Turbo before you put it up for sale and I contacted you about it. Unfortunately by the time you put it up for sale I had bought my 968 otherwise I would definately have viewed it and your asking price wouldn't have been a stopper for me. I wanted a mint car and would have paid good money for the right one.

ever88

If the right person is out there in the market £6k is ok. The main thing for me would be the state of the wing bottoms, sills and rear suspension mounts, if the rest of the car is as you describe £6k should be possible. Personally I would not pay any extra for the plate though.

 

[Lowtimer]

This is the most expensive 220 Turbo I've ever seen offered, and it does look a nice one, but has been on offer for many, many months
http://www.classiccarshop.co.uk/Cars/porsche_944_turbo.htm

 

[ever88]

thanks for all your very quick replies.

the car has porsche service history but I do confess to using my non-dealer service station friend for the last oil and filter changes.

he is both a friend and a contact I trust to do all my services on every vehicle I owned.

I was once horrified at my service of an M Coupe through a dealership. they measure the viscosity of oils and deceide condition if exchange is required. Admitidly, the green lights for service came up every 6500 miles on the car but at 600 quid for the service I expected it to be changed regardless.

I will post some pics of rest of car tomorrow when its bright enough and see what you think.

there is no rot insight on the car and if I were to list my only grumbles about it would be to say, the steering shaft joints are worn which I'm currently sorting out but the car passed its MOT not long ago with not a sniff of a worry and I probed my mechanic friend to be very fussy about steering/suspension joints.

I do accept others comments though. the car feels very positive and the only major job I can see in the log of history is a new turbo fitted in the 70k ish mileage range but I would think a car of this age would benefit from new dampers allround.

I have not done so as it feels fine but logic tells me that at 26ish, its probs due in reality.

 

[Lowtimer]

It will need to be rebushed in at least some places - no point wasting new dampers on 26 year old suspension bushes. And the point about the sills is that they can look perfect on the outside and be quite poor inside, hence the need to get camera inside via the B pillar vent,