Wheels

[Mark Fenner]

Hi All

Im after some wheels for my 968. Sizes are fronts 7.5"x17 and 65mm offset and rears 9"x17 with 55mm offset.
I believe these wheels were off the Cup 1 or Cup 2. If not a set Millie Miglia replicas would be ok.
If anyone is able to help drop me a message[]

Cheers

Marc

 

[lali]

Welcome to the world of the rare and expensive!

Trying to find 968 wheels is something that even Indiana Jones would think twice about.

 

[ChrisW]

The Cup 2 design was standard on the later 968, the Cup 1 was standard on the earlier cars.

Cup 2's are a worthwhile amount lighter and are therefore preferred for track use.

And the replica wheels are generally heavier than the Porsche versions.

If you want weights I have them ... []

 

[Big Dave]

ORIGINAL: lali

Welcome to the world of the rare and expensive!

Trying to find 968 wheels is something that even Indiana Jones would think twice about.

Lali. thats because they are all in either your garage or mine....[][][][][]

 

[pikeyboy]

Ive been looking 6 months and seen one complete set of originals for sale about 6 months ago and a few weeks ago i saw a set of replica's and bought those, slightly different off set but great for trackdays. Good luck

 

[Super_Marv]

Are Cup2's really lighter than Cup1's? I'm surprised to hear that - what are the weight differences?

 

[lali]

ORIGINAL: Super_Marv

Are Cup2's really lighter than Cup1's? I'm surprised to hear that - what are the weight differences?

IIRC correctly its a significant saving.... 2kg's a corner (inc Tyre) sounds familiar but I might be wrong. I weighed mine once... but I dont have both sets in the garage at the moment to do it again..

 

[paulf968]

definitive list of wheel weights here:

http://www.944racing.de/reload.php?urltogo=http://www.944racing.de/felgengewichte.html

click on the tab on the left hand side that says 'felgengwicht' -- lack of |German will not affect your ability to read the info therein!

as I read it 17" Cup 2 fronts are 1.2 kg lighter each than Cup 1's and rears 1.65kg lighter each

ps anyone know the whereabouts of some 17" Cup 2's -- I now think I need an extra set. would even consider buying single wheels to go towards a set. Thx

 

[ChrisW]

Out of interest, you'll also notice that PSCups are significantly lighter than Toyo R888's --- maybe that's because the Toyo's have some rubber on them ?

But, it does mean that with smart tyre choice in important circumstances one can save 3 Kg's per front and 4 + Kg's per rear wheel.

Cup 2's + PSCups v Cup1's + R888's.

The Magnesium Cup 1's are only 1Kg per corner lighter than this ... and heavier with R888's !

 

[Steve Brookes]

Well if anyone wants some original 16 inch cup wheels (7J and 8J) that were standard fitment on the 968, I've got some for sale. These are very light but 8 inch rears are not really wide enough for the heavy backside of a 911, hence the reason for the sale.

 

[David Hooper]

Mark, have you seen these?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=390041873342

Cheers
Dave

 

[RHT45]

ORIGINAL: Big Dave UK

ORIGINAL: lali

Welcome to the world of the rare and expensive!

Trying to find 968 wheels is something that even Indiana Jones would think twice about.

Lali. thats because they are all in either your garage or mine....[][][][][]

Or mine......[] [] []
I can't believe the set Dave H spotted didn't get a single bid. They seem to be moving this time - be interesting to see where the bids finish. Of course Mark could buy the red set in California - a snip at £1635 plus carriage! I might even be prepared to sell mine at that price......

 

[Super_Marv]

Those Cup1's on ebay are lovely. If I had the money, I'd snap them up!

Are Cup1's hollow spoked?

 

[Big Dave]

ORIGINAL: Super_Marv

Those Cup1's on ebay are lovely. If I had the money, I'd snap them up!

Are Cup1's hollow spoked?

The cup 1,s on flea bay are off a 928, as they were the only cars to have the pressure sensors fitted...
No Cup 1,s are not hollow spoked, not as far as im aware...Thats why they are heavier than the cup2,s....
Im amazed at the prices these wheels seem to be fetching lately. Well those that have been on the market. Which have been very few...

 

[ChrisW]

I was told that the Cup 1's came off the 928S and that for 928's, they are rare in their own right.

The 7.5 J front Cup 1 and Cup 2's are a slightly different inset from the 7.5 J Mags of the 964RS --- 65mm on the Cup 1's and 63mm on the cup 2's whre the mags are 55mm --- all the rears, that is cup 1, cup 2's and mags are 9 J with 55mm insets.

Hence on the 964RS the front are often used with spacers to pull them out by the 8m difference --- in practice 15mm spacers work very well on my 964RS.

But these are the demand drivers for the older wheels.

The Mille Miglia Cup 1's are spot on for the front --- 7.5J and 55mm inset, and fill the rear arches a little better with 9J and only 47mm inset for the rears, but they are heavier by .7KG front and 1KG rear over Cup 1's. They also did Cup 2's in the same sizes which weighed about the same as the Porsche Cup 1's.

The BBS 18" as a compromise is good (Carrera from Facelift Boxster 986) 7.5J inset 50 and 9J inset 52 weighing 9.3Kg front and 10.3Kg rear --- within a whisker of the Porsche 17" Cup 2's .... and reputedly worth 2 seconds a lap on the Porsche test circuit over 17" wheels due presumable to the size of the tyre contact patch. But, on the road 18" obviously has less tyre wall suppleness than 17" !

I hope this doesn't muddy the water too much []

 

[RHT45]

ORIGINAL: Big Dave UK

ORIGINAL: Super_Marv

Those Cup1's on ebay are lovely. If I had the money, I'd snap them up!

Are Cup1's hollow spoked?

The cup 1,s on flea bay are off a 928, as they were the only cars to have the pressure sensors fitted...

So that explains why I found different numbers on my second OEM 968 set when I checked them last night - the third group is 12 not 16. Made me wonder whether there was something funny going on...........

 

[Big Dave]

Chris.
The MM replica cup 1,s 7.5" have an offset of 52,,, NOT 55 as you have mentioned...

 

[frogisland]

...and et65 on the the 968 cup 2's.

The MM's are not as strong as the originals and fom my experience tend to buckle more easily. That said, i run MM's as my road wheels, i prefer the offset (and the fact i only paid about £150 for them!)

I thought there was more of a weight difference between the Cup 1 originals and MM's - weighed some quite a time ago and remember more than the 0.7kg you mention, could be wrong though (i found some of the data/weights on the German 944 site incorrect)

re the Carrera's - the 8" front and 9"/10" rear suit the 968 better, we can then fit the 235 tyre on the front (265 rear).....we suffer a little more understeer than the 964 and generally need the traction. The offset on the 9" is better than the 10" (ET65) for the rear on the 968 (spacers not required). (Chris - i think they look good on your Maritime RS)

JP

 

[ChrisW]

Dave and Frogisland ? ! []

Thanks for the advice. All my information is taken from the 944 site originally suggested, so good to have some first hand information.

No problem with the small difference with the MM Cup1's , but that big difference in the Cup 2's could be significant --- though inset can always be balanced with spacers so long as the overall width is not too great []

Now an interesting one for you. On my 964RS running mags --- R888's are fab but the same size PSCups on the rear catch the suspension on the inside of the tyre.

Nice and shiny, but not good.

I also like the look of the Carrera 18" wheels on the 964RS --- I'm using a very worn set of 17" mags on the car at the moment but I may just have to upset the 964RS forum at some stage []

So 225/40's on the front would be fine, but will I get away with 265's on the rear ? I should, --- but R888's ?

I have a pair of very good 295/30's to swop for a pair of 265/35's ?

 

[Big Dave]

Chris.
I think the rubbing issue is down to the different tyre types as you say.. The R888,s + PSCups must have different widths/footprint, even though they are 255,s. I know the PSCups i had fitted to my S2 were different widths/footprint to my Dunlops.
Can you get over it by fitting a thin , say 3-5mm spacer.??
Im sure if you were to go to a reputable engineering co, they would make you a pair...If you take a "pattern" / one of the thicker spacers...Just a though...

PS Ive found the R888,s to be a soft tyre + they "go off" the harder you push on them.. If your after a new set of track tyres, youd do a lot worse than fitting a set of Dunlop DZ03,s... Fab tyre...[][][]. They might be a tad dearer,££££ but well worth it....