who knows about 1992 cup VIP car?
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PhilRS
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+1 and 450 bhp from air-cooled 3.8???
I'd get a proper expert to look into all the details if I were interested. And then I would calibrate my offer accordingly. The old race car market (including 964 RSRs) is not devoid of reshelled cars, history of "single" race car aggregated over multiple chassis and so forth.
I'd get a proper expert to look into all the details if I were interested. And then I would calibrate my offer accordingly. The old race car market (including 964 RSRs) is not devoid of reshelled cars, history of "single" race car aggregated over multiple chassis and so forth.
Arent all the best race cars bitsa's? Otherwise they've probably not been raced properly. Unless the cars have been kept in a single make series, then retired, they will all get modded as move between series and regs. If the history is well documented, and the right parts on the car (for RSR spec) then it could be a good proposition (not sure about the engine though) - even though it will never be worth full value of an RSR.
I clearly dont know as much as many on here about these cars, but I think as a useable classic racing car - it looks appealing.
Doesnt it look lovely!
I clearly dont know as much as many on here about these cars, but I think as a useable classic racing car - it looks appealing.
Doesnt it look lovely!
Damn Good Question!!
As a straight swap it would very very hard to turn down. I think the cash difference would be an issue. And I'd want to work out what to do with that engine. But I think the car has a lot going for it. It would be eligible and competitive in a quite few more events too I think.
Its not green though. [
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In short, I dont have the balls to do it but big part of me would like to.
As a straight swap it would very very hard to turn down. I think the cash difference would be an issue. And I'd want to work out what to do with that engine. But I think the car has a lot going for it. It would be eligible and competitive in a quite few more events too I think.
Its not green though. [
]In short, I dont have the balls to do it but big part of me would like to.
paul howells
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There is a 964rs engine for sale,one in holland i think and Colin at 9m had one.
Matching numbers dont matter much to racers 30 years down the line,great if they are but no matter if not.If the car is good and good history etc.
How many early rsr have matching numbers with good race history not many,i would say the drive experience will blow any m003 into the weeds.
What a base car,vip cup car, shame its a 964 cup though[]
Beat them up on the price
Matching numbers dont matter much to racers 30 years down the line,great if they are but no matter if not.If the car is good and good history etc.
How many early rsr have matching numbers with good race history not many,i would say the drive experience will blow any m003 into the weeds.
What a base car,vip cup car, shame its a 964 cup though[
]Beat them up on the price
Hacki
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ORIGINAL: paul howells
What a base car,vip cup car, shame its a 964 cup though[
Those are fighting words![
]No comments, Phil, please! I know, you´ll wait for us at the end of Kemmel.
Agreed, for a car like this matching numbers don´t matter - as long as the parts are the correct ones. A conversion like this was a common thing those days, so that doesn´t matter either. As said, engine and price....
Steve Brookes
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ORIGINAL: paul howells
There is a 964rs engine for sale,one in holland i think and Colin at 9m had one.
Matching numbers dont matter much to racers 30 years down the line,great if they are but no matter if not.If the car is good and good history etc.
How many early rsr have matching numbers with good race history not many,i would say the drive experience will blow any m003 into the weeds.
What a base car,vip cup car, shame its a 964 cup though[
Beat them up on the price
Colin's spare 964RS engine seems to be going well (saw at Oulton Park last weekend) and is currently sitting in the back of this:
I think it will be available again in a few months though [
]Thank you all for the interesting discussions on this cars and cars like this.
I still think I'm better of with an M003 car to be able to drive it on Belgian streets
I would like a Cup though, but I also want to be able to drive on the street
I also contacted TS in Geramny about the black Cup.
since it was driven on a Euopean street it is may be easier to get it done here also
and maybe he's interested in a partial swap with my RS car.
I also have an 924 Carrera GT, do you guys think that it would be possible to find a NGT car for the combined price of my 2 cars together?
it would be nice to find an NGT and sell both other cars and not need to ad extra money in the Porsche project
If you all think the price of this car is to high, what would be a realistic price (I know, you did not see the car in real life (you did when you where at the Porsche days at SPa for the last 3 years))
it also has 3 sets of wheels with it
I was told by someone else that the restauration (from the black RSR rebuild to the white version) costed about 160000€ between 2009
no proof of this, just talk
Hans
I still think I'm better of with an M003 car to be able to drive it on Belgian streets
I would like a Cup though, but I also want to be able to drive on the street
I also contacted TS in Geramny about the black Cup.
since it was driven on a Euopean street it is may be easier to get it done here also
and maybe he's interested in a partial swap with my RS car.
I also have an 924 Carrera GT, do you guys think that it would be possible to find a NGT car for the combined price of my 2 cars together?
it would be nice to find an NGT and sell both other cars and not need to ad extra money in the Porsche project
If you all think the price of this car is to high, what would be a realistic price (I know, you did not see the car in real life (you did when you where at the Porsche days at SPa for the last 3 years))
it also has 3 sets of wheels with it
I was told by someone else that the restauration (from the black RSR rebuild to the white version) costed about 160000€ between 2009
no proof of this, just talk
Hans
paul howells
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Was that 160,000 or 16,000?
I think you would need to have the car badly to purchase such a weapon.
Race cars need to be purchased at the start of or the finish of the first race of the season if they are serious pre-parers.
The price has got to be the sum of the parts and the fact its a ex vip cup car,and how bad you want it!!!
I think you would need to have the car badly to purchase such a weapon.
Race cars need to be purchased at the start of or the finish of the first race of the season if they are serious pre-parers.
The price has got to be the sum of the parts and the fact its a ex vip cup car,and how bad you want it!!!
chfs911
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I was offered a reshelled Cup for 25K when I bought my one. It would have been ideal to supply all the OE parts for this VIP shell.
There is another heavily moded cup car for sale in the UK. Not had a lot of interest at current price point.
If you can get a RSR 3,8 engine it would be a great car. There used to be one on ebay for 7K I wish I had bought!
There is another heavily moded cup car for sale in the UK. Not had a lot of interest at current price point.
If you can get a RSR 3,8 engine it would be a great car. There used to be one on ebay for 7K I wish I had bought!
paul howells
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thought a bit more about this,the two proper rsr at freisinger now sound cheap compared to this car,or this car is to expensive.
One of the rsr has lemans history at freisinger
One of the rsr has lemans history at freisinger
PhilRS
New member
And even these genuine RSRs at Freisinger don't sell, so in the current ssssllllooooowwww market for the "cheap" racing Porsches, this Martini RSR bitsa at 160k euros is very badly priced. For example, Freinsinger has a monkey bum RSR bitsa at 120k euros that is also taking a long rest on the forecourt.
In my view, the Martini bitsa is not worth half a factory RSR, and is ironically worth less than its underlying VIP Cup. I would not drive this bitsa on a 964RS engine BTW. The RSR is a wide non-aerodynamic car with large (305) slicks at the rear. The chassis would be underpowered and would certainly benefit from the tow of the defiant and valiant brigade on the Kemmel straight. Alois Ruf would agree with me.
As a rough figure/equation, I would start with ~ 120k for the refurbed VIP Cup, subtract the costs to refurb the RSR bitsa to the VIP Cup and then add the resale value of the genuine RSR parts + mystery engine.
This would do two cars a favour and add a colourful mate to the huffing and puffing of the defiant air-cooled procession ("120 is plenty") on the Kemmel [][][]
In my view, the Martini bitsa is not worth half a factory RSR, and is ironically worth less than its underlying VIP Cup. I would not drive this bitsa on a 964RS engine BTW. The RSR is a wide non-aerodynamic car with large (305) slicks at the rear. The chassis would be underpowered and would certainly benefit from the tow of the defiant and valiant brigade on the Kemmel straight. Alois Ruf would agree with me.
As a rough figure/equation, I would start with ~ 120k for the refurbed VIP Cup, subtract the costs to refurb the RSR bitsa to the VIP Cup and then add the resale value of the genuine RSR parts + mystery engine.
This would do two cars a favour and add a colourful mate to the huffing and puffing of the defiant air-cooled procession ("120 is plenty") on the Kemmel [
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I have to say pure top speed doesnt really excite me, as much as corners, And even then although high grip cornering is great fun, low grip cornering can be just as entertaining.
For example Eau Rouge flat at 140mph in a car with aero, was exhilerating, but not as much as '65 911 on crossplies at about 80mph!
As for speed on the straight. unless the car is fundamentally unstable at speed, then its just a time to stretch the fingers isnt it?
For example Eau Rouge flat at 140mph in a car with aero, was exhilerating, but not as much as '65 911 on crossplies at about 80mph!
As for speed on the straight. unless the car is fundamentally unstable at speed, then its just a time to stretch the fingers isnt it?
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