Essen will be a watershed .....
Who's is this RSR then?
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oldtimer
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ORIGINAL: jason
Blue 356??
If it's a dealer, and the one I think it is, then smash them in the face from me please....
Seller had no morals, I'd booked flights and everything. Grrrrrrr[]
It's the standard greeting in Glasgie [
]I'll pm you if I survive the experience ........
Steve Brookes
Moderator
Hmm..I've seen that 'rep' up close at Oulton Park where it kept failing the noise test. It's nice but I would never have guessed they would try it at that price.
I see that Marcus Carniel's old C2 race car is up for auction there too. It's rough around the edges but with the fresh engine rebuild, I think that one's pretty good value in comparison.
I attended the auction.
The 64RSR was withdrawn, I believe it sold privately prior to the auction, don't know the amount it sold for.
The 993Cup attracted no bids at all at a start price of £180k.
The 964 race car (ex-Marcus) and RS rep did not sell, the RS rep got to £38k but did not make it's reserve.
I think that outside of the really rare/old cars some sense is maybe prevailing.
The 64RSR was withdrawn, I believe it sold privately prior to the auction, don't know the amount it sold for.
The 993Cup attracted no bids at all at a start price of £180k.
The 964 race car (ex-Marcus) and RS rep did not sell, the RS rep got to £38k but did not make it's reserve.
I think that outside of the really rare/old cars some sense is maybe prevailing.
jason
New member
Not surprised the only car to sell was the RSR.
The Cup car was stupid pricey, even for a very very nice car and the others had estimates very very high for what they were.
1% sellers fee is of absolutely no use if you can't get them bid to reserve or even anywhere near it.
Surprised the RSR and Cup didn't go to Essen next week, far greater profile.
Always thought this would be a damp squib auction, not very well known and no online bidding or even live streaming???
Things have moved on in the world and away from low profile racecourse auctions for the uber rare cars these days.
The Cup car was stupid pricey, even for a very very nice car and the others had estimates very very high for what they were.
1% sellers fee is of absolutely no use if you can't get them bid to reserve or even anywhere near it.
Surprised the RSR and Cup didn't go to Essen next week, far greater profile.
Always thought this would be a damp squib auction, not very well known and no online bidding or even live streaming???
Things have moved on in the world and away from low profile racecourse auctions for the uber rare cars these days.
Indeed Jason .... the real RSR sold prior, bet it has gone to Europe to a collection as an investment sadly not to be seen on track, not surprised the 993 Cup did not make the money, I honestly think a 964 Cup is more collectible and a bigger handful to enjoy being the true raw boy, one day 64 and 93 RS differences will reverse, it will happen. Not surprised the replica or race car did not sell ......
Steve Brookes
Moderator
I'm not surprised about the rep either but I honestly think the race car is not far off the mark price wise. It's well set up and has a freshly rebuilt engine. It's very quick in the right hands...Marcus used to get it round Oulton Park in 1'56" in PCGB championship spec (it needed ballast to take it to 1300 Kg) and cup tyres. It's a bit rough cosmetically because of the battle scars and will never be an investment but I'm sure the right negotiation could get it for a smidge under £30K making it a nice disposable track toy.
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ORIGINAL: jason
Don't think 993RS and 964RS prices will ever reverse.
Why?
993 is lower production numbers, probably more low mileage cars remaining, more reliable, more powerful, last of the air-cooled 911s and to most people the best looking 911.
WOW.. HUge Statement there but here goes ....
Low mileage, not sure, you get low mileage 2,7RS to 356, but we all know these cars fully recyclable, so comparable low mileage 64RS to 93RS we are looking infinitum mileage will pale into history, think service record and who eventually rebuilt the engine more important ask me in 50 years time. Certainly not more reliable than the 64, 93 poorer build, ask any body shop, and the old varioslip, production numbers are negligible and a clutching at straw old argument. More powerful, we all know a tuned 64RS makes 300BHP with no varioslip, last of the air-cooled, makes it better why? Think Porsche got it spot on with the 64. Best Looking, you are now certainly having a laugh, a 64RS in one of those beautiful pastel Colours is no better sight, have you been to spec savers.
I still prefer the 64 though []
Yes I know you do ... and appreciate your wind up post to get me at it .... so you heard it here yet again read my lips ...
ORIGINAL: jason
Don't think 993RS and 964RS prices will ever reverse.
Why?
993 is lower production numbers, probably more low mileage cars remaining, more reliable, more powerful, last of the air-cooled 911s and to most people the best looking 911.
WOW.. HUge Statement there but here goes ....
Low mileage, not sure, you get low mileage 2,7RS to 356, but we all know these cars fully recyclable, so comparable low mileage 64RS to 93RS we are looking infinitum mileage will pale into history, think service record and who eventually rebuilt the engine more important ask me in 50 years time. Certainly not more reliable than the 64, 93 poorer build, ask any body shop, and the old varioslip, production numbers are negligible and a clutching at straw old argument. More powerful, we all know a tuned 64RS makes 300BHP with no varioslip, last of the air-cooled, makes it better why? Think Porsche got it spot on with the 64. Best Looking, you are now certainly having a laugh, a 64RS in one of those beautiful pastel Colours is no better sight, have you been to spec savers.
I still prefer the 64 though [
]Yes I know you do ... and appreciate your wind up post to get me at it .... so you heard it here yet again read my lips ...
Steve Brookes
Moderator
ORIGINAL: kasbridge
I think it got to £27k but did not make the reserve - dont quote me as I was getting a cuppa at the time
So, I guess from that their reserve must have been the lower figure (£30K?) on the catalogue estimate. For comparison here's Richard Lambert's lovely race car that sold in 2012:
http://www.porscheclubmotorsport.co.uk/race_car_sale/sold_race_winning_class_1_porsche_964_%C2%A328500_sold
and then there's this one for sale at £30K too (I think it's the one Kevin Harrison races):
http://www.porscheclubmotorsport.co.uk/race_car_sale/sale_porsche_964_c2_class_1_club_championship_car_%C2%A330000_sale
Now get back to your RS day video editing! [
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jason
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ORIGINAL: carreraboy
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ORIGINAL: jason
Don't think 993RS and 964RS prices will ever reverse.
Why?
993 is lower production numbers, probably more low mileage cars remaining, more reliable, more powerful, last of the air-cooled 911s and to most people the best looking 911.
WOW.. HUge Statement there but here goes ....
Low mileage, not sure, you get low mileage 2,7RS to 356, but we all know these cars fully recyclable, so comparable low mileage 64RS to 93RS we are looking infinitum mileage will pale into history, think service record and who eventually rebuilt the engine more important ask me in 50 years time. Certainly not more reliable than the 64, 93 poorer build, ask any body shop, and the old varioslip, production numbers are negligible and a clutching at straw old argument. More powerful, we all know a tuned 64RS makes 300BHP with no varioslip, last of the air-cooled, makes it better why? Think Porsche got it spot on with the 64. Best Looking, you are now certainly having a laugh, a 64RS in one of those beautiful pastel Colours is no better sight, have you been to spec savers.
I still prefer the 64 though [
Yes I know you do ... and appreciate your wind up post to get me at it .... so you heard it here yet again read my lips ...
Wasn't a wind up post?
Was a simple post as to why I don't think 64RS prices will go higher than 93RS prices.
You've not said anything sensible above to make me think any different. [:-]
They will stay higher as it is rarer, faster and in most peoples opinion (mine and yours don't count on the world market) better looking and better to drive. Simples [
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But Jason, this is all in the eye of the beholder, and just my opinion, which I have always been wrong obviously, don't know who all these other ill informed people are, unless you heave been to a German dentist Convention
Want a faster car, not sure that's the point, involvement surely, maybe 2,7RS is slower than a 64RS but worth more, bit confide on that one , even though a 64RS can make 993 power AND IS MORE AERODYNAMIC[]
Want a faster car, not sure that's the point, involvement surely, maybe 2,7RS is slower than a 64RS but worth more, bit confide on that one , even though a 64RS can make 993 power AND IS MORE AERODYNAMIC[
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