Yep another KW Thread, changing from M030

[Lemon]

Hi

Sorry for more questions re KW Suspension, but after meeting Nick(appleton) Peter (PJS917)
and Mike (Ber944) last wednesday evening I think I am now going to remove my M030
and go for a KW setup. Cheers guys you have cost me a packet []

I am now thinking of doing a few track days (at long last!!!) hence sorting the car out.
It will def be more road biased as I cannot see me doing heaps of tracks days, but who knows [].

I have not fitted 968 castor mounts so will have those fitted too.
I also have a KLA strut brace in the garage to throw on at the same time.

So for those who have fitted them a couple of questions.

Top mounts, new standard, other non adjustable uprated available or adjustable ( Racers Edge etc?).
Rather get the right thing now and spend a bit more than have to replace at a later stage.
If so who/where sells them in the UK. I have seen some by a company called Mookeeh in the states, anyone used these?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MK1-PORSCHE-924-944-968-FRONT-ADJUSTABLE-CAMBER-PLATES_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem563160cb87QQitemZ370195614599QQptZOtherQ5fVehicleQ5fParts

ARB's are the M030 the larger, or have I read 968 M030 ARB's are larger, worth fitting something different here too?
Will this help the car corner flatter? Or will the lower setup and KW already give me this?

Basically I am green as to all this and need some advice as to what works best in conjunction with each other.
Some, all of the above or maybe in stages?

I was hoping to not spend tons on the car this year, but after driving Andrew Swetenhams car with KW
and talking to the guys the other night I think the car will drive a miilion times better even though
I have had my front M030 refreshed some years ago.

Talking of KW just seen these for what seems like a bargain price, anyone used them

£1170 inc Vat plus £13.50 postage

http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/frame-detail.asp?PAGE=/kw-suspension.htm

Thanks for any feedback here

Lee

 

[PJS917]

Lee,

Oooops sorry if this is going to cost you money. If you are going to fit KW or any other suspension I would certainly do all the other bits at the same time.

Bushes, you may as well fit new bushes all around and if you are not going too track focused Poly bushes is probably your best way forward. Solid bushes can make the car harsh on normal roads. I have a mix of solid and poly bushes on my S2.

Roll bars, fit 968 MO30 roll bars as these were/are the thickest road car ones available (thicker motorsport ones are available) They are also very good value from Porsche and Porsha-part at the momment.

Top mounts, I am not sure of the merits of fully adjustable ones, I have had both racers edge TMs (now on Nicks car) and I now have fitted Dynatech mounts fitted, I have yet to adjust them from when I have had them set up. The Dynatech ones are slightly more forgiving than the racers edge. The ones you have looked at on ebay look fine. If you can make the trip further north you can drive my car and a friends that has fixed "solid" TMs so you can compare the difference.

As for Motorsports world, I have used them a few times and they have always been very good.

If you want to try my car with KW, poly and solid mounts, strut brace and TM's you are more than welcome, it will give you an idea of what you can expect.

 

[Lemon]

ORIGINAL: PJS917

Lee,

Oooops sorry if this is going to cost you money. If you are going to fit KW or any other suspension I would certainly do all the other bits at the same time.

Bushes, you may as well fit new bushes all around and if you are not going too track focused Poly bushes is probably your best way forward. Solid bushes can make the car harsh on normal roads. I have a mix of solid and poly bushes on my S2.

Roll bars, fit 968 MO30 roll bars as these were/are the thickest road car ones available (thicker motorsport ones are available) They are also very good value from Porsche and Porsha-part at the momment.

Top mounts, I am not sure of the merits of fully adjustable ones, I have had both racers edge TMs (now on Nicks car) and I now have fitted Dynatech mounts fitted, I have yet to adjust them from when I have had them set up. The Dynatech ones are slightly more forgiving than the racers edge. The ones you have looked at on ebay look fine. If you can make the trip further north you can drive my car and a friends that has fixed "solid" TMs so you can compare the difference.

As for Motorsports world, I have used them a few times and they have always been very good.

If you want to try my car with KW, poly and solid mounts, strut brace and TM's you are more than welcome, it will give you an idea of what you can expect.

Hi Peter

Thanks very much for that, will try and take you up on the offer of a drive of yours as soon as I can. I will be in touch.

Thanks again

Lee

 

[Paz]

Interesting post, I've just bought a 968 Sport and am going to have KW v3's fitted but am loathe to ruin the ride on the road.
My car will be used as a daily and trackcar.

 

[pauly]

BigDave will be along shortly to put you all straight [][][].

 

[Big Dave]

Oh dear. Seems i have a bit of a "reputation"....[][][][][][]
I dont need to "put anybody right," as the advice given is good...Unlike some previous posts...[8|][8|]
Just go for it....You know it makes sense....[][][]

 

[Diver944]

ORIGINAL: Paz

am loathe to ruin the ride on the road.

Go for it - you will find that the KWv3 is actually more compliant with a nicer ride on the road than the old worn standard kit

 

[appletonn]

ORIGINAL: Diver944

ORIGINAL: Paz

am loathe to ruin the ride on the road.

Go for it - you will find that the KWv3 is actually more compliant with a nicer ride on the road than the old worn standard kit

Yes, that's the really clever bit - cake and eat it springs to mind!

 

[Paz]

Cheers chaps, I've already decided to go for the KW v3's, my concerns are with the black poly bushes affecting the ride quality with excessive NVH.

 

[pauly]

I saw the motorsportworld price though I think one indy would match it, and I would rather ask them for advice if I had any problems.

 

[AndrewS]

There are no concerns with Noise, Vibration or Harshness - all are improved with the KW Variant 3 set-up. It's the difference 20 years of specialised suspension development makes.

What is impressive with KW is how they have achieved a more compliant ride on the road, with less roll and greatly improved traction powering out turns. All this while running 10 - 20 mm lower than M030! (assuming you set it up that way).

To get the full benefit, you must re-index the rear torsion bars. []

Regards,
Andrew

 

[Hilux]

Interesting post, I've just bought a 968 Sport and am going to have KW v3's fitted but am loathe to ruin the ride on the road.
My car will be used as a daily and trackcar.

What Paul and Andrew said. Dont even think the difference is marginal - its huge, you`ll honestly never regret it. You cannot compare worn out 20 year old (certainly design and probably age) suspension that was considered slightly harder than soft road and relied upon 20 year old tyre wall compliance/design as part of the compliance.

To utilise the suspension fully (flatter cornering, less weight transference - dial out oversteer but primarily understeer etc etc) start saving for adjustable Weltmeister ARB`s too []

 

[MarkK]

What they all said...Compliant and bump absorbing yet firm and level on turn in.Its really good and very shiny too which is always nice.[]

 

[sawood12]

I say KW - absolutely, definitely, without doubt or hesitation. Buy it over an above any engine performance mods and buy it now, worry about the consequences later! Life is too short.

Top mounts - go Racers Edge or similar. Don't buy for adjustability - its an unusable functionality in reality due to the significant swing in toe in/toe out, so unless you can adjust this to compensate then you wont be able to use the adjustability.

ARB's - i'd say wait and see what it's like on stock. By all means refresh bushes if they are old (they are cheap) but my car corners relatively flat thanks to the KW and lowering.

 

[Paz]

Thanks Scott, Chris Franklin has recommended the Racer's Edge ones also.

How easy is it to adjust the dampers on the v3's?

 

[Big Dave]

Paz.
Personally.
If its as you say, predominantly a road car, with a bit of track thrown in, then leave the bushes standard. Maybee refresh the ARB bushes [with poly],, thats when youve fitted the M030 bars. Otherwise the car will become a bit of a handfull when driven on our usual B roads...And itl save you a load of ££££££££
Yes the solid top mounts make the turn in a lot sharper, but there not nesessary...Unless the standard ones are shot at...
You know how good the KW is, so no advice needed there...[][][][]
When i "built" my S2 i did so over a period of time, changing the bits periodically. But i found it became a real pig to drive on the road, with the Poly,s / solid top mounts, / etc etc etc ...
If its a mainly track beast then go ALL the way...[][][][]
I know youl have fun....

Oh + adjusting the KW,s,,
Fronts dead easy.. Both top + bottom...
Rears not as so.. The bottom adjuster is the bump/ compresion, thats easy, BUT the upper adj is the rebound + that HAS to be done with the shock OFF the car, theres no access whatsoever.. Ive even brought it up with KW technical + they say thats how its made + theres no way of doing them any other way...[8|][8|][8|][8|]

 

[Paz]

Thanks Dave, I'd heard the adjustment was a pain but I couldn't see the problem when I viewed an online PDF but it's all clear now.

I'll certainly take on board your comments about the bushes etc too []

 

[Sly]

KW are better in all point than M030.

You can keep all the other suspension's elements stock if they are in good shape. It will save "confort".

I have this setup for street and some circuit cession no need to other upgrad (for me).[]

 

[Lemon]

Talking of top mounts has anyone used the KLA Upper strut mounts???

I have a KLA strut brace to fit and thought whilst there have the matching top mounts.

A better alternative to new factory top mounts?

I was thinking of going down the route Dave W has suggested.

So was thinking of KW, maybe KLA top mounts, refresh any worn bushes with new and maybe poly ARB bushes.[]

See how it is from there as a first point before doing anything else

 

[sawood12]

I think Mr Simms has them. I personally think that any uni-ball type top mount are superior to stock mounts with very little reduction in ride quality. On my set up the ride quality is superior to my old saggy stock shock's and i've got the KW, uprated TB's and Racers Edge top mounts with all the benefits to ride and handling they bring.