PCCB or PDDC?

[pwebb]

So, I've finally succumbed to the overtures and have put a deposit down on a 991.2 C2S. No surprises there, I suppose. Still not a huge fan of the engine but there are improvements here and there, and no GTS left in the network with a spec that I'd want.

So - the question of spec comes in to play. I've provisionally gone for the usual stuff, pdk, sports exhaust, sports seats plus. My question is whether to go for a suspension or braking route. Can't justify both. Rear axle steering and PDDC come to about £4k and PCCBs £5.7 (ouch).

Any thoughts, chaps?

 

[ellism]

Guards Red again Peter?

I've gone for rear axle steering on mine but I don't think my driving justifies the enhanced suspension or braking systems. And frankly it's already costing an eye watering amount of money! Here's my spec (btw after owning 2 PDKs and a drive at Silverstone last month followed by a lot of soul searching, I have opted to go for a Manual this time).

N5 Night Blue Metallic
1V Black convertible top
AZ Black leather interior
603 Bi-Xenon main headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)
638 ParkAssist (front and rear) with reversing camera
529 SportDesign exterior mirrors
487 7-speed manual transmission
658 Power steering
474 Front axle lift system
470 Rear-axle steering
QR5 Sport Chrono Package including mode switch
176 Sports exhaust system
460 20-inch RS Spyder Design wheels
446 Wheel centres with full-colour Porsche Crest
454 Cruise control
457 Lane Change Assist
P13 Automatically dimming mirrors with integrated rain sensor
858 GT - Sport steering wheel
489 Heated multifunction steering wheel
P02 Sports Bucket Seats with memory package
342 Seat heating
810 Floor mats
022 Rev counter dial face in black
XSC Porsche Crest embossed on headrests
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System

 

[tscaptain]

Personally I'd go the suspension route, Peter. Rear wheel steer and PDCC are great. It stops very well with cast iron discs[] but we all know the PCCB supporters will be along soon to argue their corner.....[]

 

[stokey]

Peter ,another vote for suspension and rear steer having driven a few 991.2 ,s now, with rear steer and PDCC
you can really feel the difference lmo.
Carbon ceramic,s are great but from my experience only come into there own at higher speeds or track useage,
Great to have no brake dust to clean off though. ??.

 

[tscaptain]

Great to have no brake dust to clean off though. ??.

£5.7k buys a lot of brake dust remover[][]

 

[lowndes]

Peter
In my view PDCC and rear wheel steer are options that you will directly feel the benefit of out on the road and are probably worth paying for. I wouldn't say the same about PCCB where the unsprung weight benefit is not worth the eye watering cost. I actually thought the brakes on the 991 turbo S were worse than the 997 turbo S being very difficult to modulate at low speeds and risked sending the passenger's coffee all over the upholstery. An option I would pay for is PDLS+ which seems to defy the laws of physics in bending the beams of light around the corner as you approach.

 

[pwebb]

Thanks chaps. Hmmm, a visit to Silverstone is in order methinks. Apparently the C2S I borrowed for the weekend was fitted with RWS and I hadn't noticed.... Maybe PDLS+ and Lava Orange [8D]

 

[pwebb]

Guards Red again Peter?

I've gone for rear axle steering on mine but I don't think my driving justifies the enhanced suspension or braking systems. And frankly it's already costing an eye watering amount of money! Here's my spec (btw after owning 2 PDKs and a drive at Silverstone last month followed by a lot of soul searching, I have opted to go for a Manual this time).

N5 Night Blue Metallic
1V Black convertible top
AZ Black leather interior
603 Bi-Xenon main headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)
638 ParkAssist (front and rear) with reversing camera
529 SportDesign exterior mirrors
487 7-speed manual transmission
658 Power steering
474 Front axle lift system
470 Rear-axle steering
QR5 Sport Chrono Package including mode switch
176 Sports exhaust system
460 20-inch RS Spyder Design wheels
446 Wheel centres with full-colour Porsche Crest
454 Cruise control
457 Lane Change Assist
P13 Automatically dimming mirrors with integrated rain sensor
858 GT - Sport steering wheel
489 Heated multifunction steering wheel
P02 Sports Bucket Seats with memory package
342 Seat heating
810 Floor mats
022 Rev counter dial face in black
XSC Porsche Crest embossed on headrests
9VL BOSE® Surround Sound-System

Congratulations on pulling the trigger Ellis - and going for manual this time. Out of interest, have you had issues with scraping the front of your cars to prompt getting the lifting gear?

 

[stokey]

Sounds great Peter, you can really blend into the background with Lava ??
Good point from Nick ,you got to have PDLS + not sure if that includes Led lights on the new model
but they are well worth having , speed limit indicator is something I wish I had ,and not expensive from memory.

 

[ellism]

Yes on the scraping. I have a fairly steep rise to get into a lane which takes me to the rear of my house and my garage. I've actually managed to fix this with the help of a bag of the stuff they fix potholes with. Also I have scuffed a couple of times on dips into car parks etc. So, as expensive as it is, Ive decided to play safe

 

[Rotorhead]

Personally, the PCCB box is the first one I would tick. I've had them on a succession of Porsches and there are a host of benefits that I wouldn't want to be without.
I have limited experience of PDDC, although I know the motoring media were quite critical of it in its original application.
The main difference is that PCCBs will add to the purity of the car, by reducing unsprung weight, whereas driver aids, such as PDDC, are quite the opposite - mechanical interventions that synthesise the driving experience - IMO.

 

[Lancerlot]

As a decrepit senior citizen, I definitely need all the help I can get with cornering and would go for the chassis setup, as I'm confident the vehicle will be able to pull up very well from the maximum 70mph.

However, looking at the cost from the options list of comparative manufacturers, PCCB's at £5.7K would seem to be a veritable bargain! [].

Regards,

Clive

 

[fireblade]

Forget the PCCB's.

My 997 Turbo managed very well on road and track without them.

My 991.1 Turbo S has them as standard and although the Pirelli's self destructed on both cars at a little over 6,000 miles, (including 6 or 7 track days) I have never found the steels inadequate nor any noticeable difference with the PCCB's. I probably don't drive fast enough. The yellow calipers do go well with the Sapphire blue paintwork though, same colour as my Fireblade!

However the PDDC does make the car more stable and probably safer, well worth the money.

Cheers

 

[garyw]

I think I'd go suspension too.
Would make a difference to every time I drove it, Yes I'd like ceramics as a preference but steels have worked fine for me over the past decade.
At a majority of speeds []

 

[BigCat]

Peter I went with Nick's advice on the PDCC and LED headlamps, great flat cornering and fantastic illumination of the road ahead without having to flick any switches when a car comes toward or you come up behind another. Adaptive Sports Seats 18 way are just great and for the minimal cost the Speed Limit camera is a good option. You need the Privacy Glass so it keeps onlookers from seeing what's on the back shelf and if you have Carrara White it looks stunning with all the black contrast and the privacy glass. Forget sunroofs and rear wipers, you will be going so fast they will be redundant and as for the colour I have to say Lava Orange looks like some sort of undercoat, very flat looking.[] Now I would have the PCCB but then that's just me, I regret not having them on my 991 GTS, the steel discs look a bit weedy in the 20 inch rims. I have them on my Macan GTS and they do look great and provided I don't hit them with something will last a lot longer than steel. (Flack anticipated Shields raised at 100% )

 

[tscaptain]

I have them on my Macan GTS and they do look great

SWMBO Rolex looks great but it doesn't keep better time than my Tag. However, if expensive cosmetics are your thing then fill your boots![] (All tongue-in-cheek, of course!)

 

[BigCat]

I have them on my Macan GTS and they do look great

SWMBO Rolex looks great but it doesn't keep better time than my Tag. However, if expensive cosmetics are your thing then fill your boots![] (All tongue-in-cheek, of course!)

Well I get a similar comment about a Seiko vs Breitling from my other half. However, PCCB, PDDC, PDLS+ all good options as far as I'm concerned and boots filled accordingly. ??

 

[tscaptain]

Maybe so but going back to the OP the question was which route to take, suspension or brakes, not which numerous options one would spec - wearing large boots.....[]

 

[BigCat]

Well I don't have 4WS but if I had to choose between PCCB at £5.4K or for less cost PDCC + 4WS, I would choose the latter on the basis of the cost vs benefits gained.

 

[pboldmonts]

Peter

I'm completely with Nick on this one. I find the brakes superb but difficult to use smoothly at low speeds. They do bite! I found them fantastic on the autobahns on my two trips to Germany when BMW and Merc drivers decided to test them for me!! But if it's a question of choice I would most certainly go the suspension route. There is no doubt you can feel the benefit of RWS when driving in a spirited way. Love the idea of Lava - the dogs!!!