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£200k for an RSL before Summer?

BlueNGT

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White 26k mile one for £183k here http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-964/1992-porsche-964-carrera-rs--standard-and-original-rhd-lightweight-car/2096556

Coral red one reported to have a £170k asking price at Specialist Cars!!!
 
Excellent news for the very few RHD cars that are left here in the UK, think I will stick to a LHD RS ....
 
So what's a very good condition lhd lightweight worth now with 60-70 miles....must be £100k at these rates???

 
The price action is far too spurious as there are so few transactions.
Funnily enough, the real world, or through the grapevine sales you hear of are not quite so dramatic as the speculative advertised prices that drives the internet furor! [:D]
 
It's interesting having predicted fairly well the trend on 64RS prices that we are in new territory having surpassed even my predictions, these levels coming sooner than I thought.

Reason why the 64RS is finding these levels are no surprise .... All I will say ... Drive one and see[:D]
 
Des, it is more than drive one and see.....particularly down a bumpy B road!!![:D]

We are at the level, where you could buy a decent C2 and easily enhance it beyond the level of a 964RS for so much less money.

As modified register secretary and guru on extensively modifying Porsche, you know that things have moved on in terms of suspension and tyres......I am not talking about 991 levels of advancement, but a modified C2 can be made into a very special car.

It's not just 964RS that are increasing in value, but their "relatively" low build numbers make them ripe for speculation.

Let's be clear, these cars are not likely to go back to being £25-35k though, obviously.
 

ORIGINAL: Melv

buy a decent C2 and easily enhance it beyond the level of a 964RS

Don't be daft Clubbie!! [8|]

Selective edit there Melv.

I terms of performance for the £80-100k saving of a C2 to an RS, I genuinely believe it is possible to fit far superior suspension, brakes, tyres, wheels and engine beyond the level of a 964RS.

Don't forget the standard RS had 260bhp and wasn't that much fun on a B road on the factory set up.

Now at the end of the day this modified car will not be a real "RS", which to me counts for a lot, being made as Porsche intended etc....... Having driven a 2.7 RS, certainly 210bhp feels adequate.

The point I was making is that there is so much more to the enthusiasm and possible current speculation than attributing it just down to how the 964RS drives.
 
We are at the level, where you could buy a decent C2 and easily enhance it beyond the level of a 964RS for so much less money.

A good C2 Coupe is very hard to find, and its a total TDi to drive compared to an RS.

the mods required to narrow the gap go deep down and expensive.
the guys who could do it well are few, and they charge accordingly.

Once the C2 shell has a re-skinned roof and is seam welded to OE standard, and is stripped and painted to an RS Colour, the invoices will be painful.

Then find a pair of Seats (and retrim in triple xx)
retrim carpet
retrim doors
retrim roof cloth
RS Horn Pad
Aircon delete HVAC work & parts
new glass & rubbers
Flywheel & Clutch
LSD
Ali Bonnet
Mag wheels
Turbo brakes
Brake pressure system upgrade
long gear lever
Springs & dampers
ARBs and bushes
4 wheel align &
corner weight
Front PU with wash delete
rear centre section
intake manifold (if early car)
the donor engine will have 100k on it so minor overhaul to blueprinted spec
the rear quarter lamp holder area, front wings, front and rear scuttles, outer sills will need metal work
20% vat
project management
vehicle transport
phone calls
research
hassle
time
RS badge

I would be surprised if a clean straight £20k donor car and a budget of £40k plus vat (£48k) and allowing £3k back for salvage parts would cover the costs.

After all that, would the door opening and closing sound just right....?
And the first question will be is it genuine?
And even if its OE Standard, its categorised with the Bitsa's

The major factors driving the RS up are:
scarcity of good manual,coupe, 2wd donors
Factory hiking of heritage parts costs (to prevent exactly what may otherwise be done)
Craft Labour & Material costs associated with a top class job.

I think carreraboy is proved correct and these factors have brought the day forward
 
Clubbie for a man who hates replicas (loads 993RS) I am surprised at your sudden opinion. I dare say it's a wind up, just read George Elliot post for a starter and that's for a carpet.

Whenever did a 64RS driver worry about B roads, if they were they would get a 993RS, part of the fun old bean, not knowing which hedge you will be hurtled into, you have stay alert focussed and clinch the buttocks on those country lanes ...

:p
 
ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Clubbie for a man who hates replicas (loads 993RS) I am surprised at your sudden opinion. I dare say it's a wind up, just read George Elliot post for a starter and that's for a carpet.

Whenever did a 64RS driver worry about B roads, if they were they would get a 993RS, part of the fun old bean, not knowing which hedge you will be hurtled into, you have stay alert focussed and clinch the buttocks on those country lanes ...

:p

I am genuinely trying to speak in straight forward English!

The point I am trying to make is that 964RS values are not solely down how the cars drive....... A 964RS is a factory built "special" in limited numbers, this is a major part of the appeal and gain in value.

When they were worth 150% of a 964 C2, then they were purchased by enthusiasts, based on how they drive.

Now a 964RS is worth 400+% of a nice 964C2, the premium is not solely how the cars drive.
In that you could make a 964 C2 a better drivers car than an RS for less money, but it would not be a real RS and as you know modified cars can be interested to sell and in this market originality appears to trade at a premium.

So, all I am saying and backing up, is current 964RS values are not at this level purely on how the car drives.......

(edited to correct spelling error!)
 
I actually think this whole situation is a little sad, not being philosophical about market forces here and as an RS owner I am happy that it has appreciated in value.

For me the RS was unique in that it was (a) a brilliant car to drive - tactile/noisy/crude (rear suspension) - (b) exclusive and a proper homologation special - (c) beatiful to look at - (d) bullerproof and relatively cheap to repair and (e) affordable

(a)-(d) still stand but values are now just stupid and driven by the tax free returns envisaged by collectors and speculators - people have stopped buying them to drive - my car will be out on track at Oulton, I wonder how many more will be? (before I get flamed I know there are at least 3 more that will be on track from this forum without naming them :)).

A dealer whom I know well is now at the stage where a car is sold, stored in his unit for 12-18 months and then resold without even being delivered - this is the automotive equivalent of en-primeur Ch. Lafitte.....

Sorry for the rant but what really p****s me off is to hear so called "enthusiasts" at track days going on about the value of their cars that they never use!!!!!

Rant over.
 

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