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16k Mile S2!

It depends on all manner of things, and if any of them are bad then I disagree that it will be more reliable. Many new cars with few miles are unreliable after all (less so than 20 years ago, but hey, this is a 20 year old car we're talking about). ultimately 16,000 miles is more than ample to completely wreck a car if it's sufficiently abused. I'm not suggesting that this one is likely to have been, but it could inadvertently have been treated less than optimally all the same. Questions relevant to its likely condition and reliability:

  • How has it been stored? Clearly it has been in storage for the vast majority of its life, even if storage means regular short periods of 2 or 3 weeks between outings?
  • It's in Scotland. Has it been there all its life? Near the coast? If so it will very likely be rusty. Triply so if the answer to the point above is anything other than "in a climate controlled garage" and/or if it was regularly parked without being cleaned after winter use. I grew up there so I definitely own that knowledge.
  • Has it been serviced regularly or was it owned by someone who thought no miles meant no need for maintenance?
  • When it was used, how was it used? Loads of short trips, good long runs, once a year to the Nordschleife for a serious ragging?
I agree it will be less worn than a higher mileage car, but I still contend something that is used regularly and maintained as prescribed and required will be just as reliable, if not more so. this one will likely need quite a bit of sorting out to replace things like hardened rubber and fettling to free up stiff or binding cables and mechanisms. It should be fine after that has been done, but a well maintained S2 with 80, 100 or even 150,000 miles will be too. Again I own that knowledge having bought one at 142,500 and taking it to 192,000 miles as a daily driver.

 
Ultimately a 15k car will be far more reliable than a 150k one and to suggest otherwise is foolish.
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All things being equal, of course. A two-year-old Fiesta with 150k will have led a harder life than an identical car with 15K. Once the cars are over 20-years-old, though, surely it's recent history and condition that count, making it completely impossible to be difinitive?

I'd think that a car that comes out of a decrepit wooden garage, unused after 15 years, is going to be more expensive to put right and less reliable than a car that's had an engine and gearbox re-build, glass-out respray, interior re-trim and suspension overhaul prior to sale? Regardless of mileage. I remember Porsche Centre Hatfield describing the huge amount of parts that needed replacing on a 1989 930 they had for sale, stored from new with delivery mileage only.

The advice still holds true. Buy these cars on recent history, who cares about new wiper blades in 1989, has it had a water pump recently, for instance? Buy on current condition, regardless of miles, and be prepared to accept that often you end up spending less if you pay more for a better car initially.
 
ORIGINAL: Neil Haughey

I wonder how much that car would have cost 5 years ago when a nice average miles S2 was perhaps 8 grand? I bet pretty much the same number. Maybe in another 10 years a museum piece S2 would be worth that much.
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I can tell you, as there was a Baltic S2 with 15K for sale when I bought mine, 5 years ago this month. [:)]

It was featured in one of the Classic mags in their "we review cars for sale, including at dealers who pay to advertise with us" section, so I was prepared for a less than impartial write up. They seemed to be saying, between the lines, that it was not a showroom-condition concourse car, and had niggles from being laid up. As such, it was not worth the £15K they wanted then. About double the price of a decent S2 at the time.

The car in this thread could be the same one? Now they want at least triple the price of a decent S2, I'd think nearer the £10k if it is outstanding but has "niggles". If it really is a showroom-standard car in as-perfect mechanical condition then I would maintain that it's worth near what they're asking. Not in doom-blue, though. [:D][:D]
 
ORIGINAL: pauly

The totally rebuilt turbo on here (Simon P ?) made a lot more sense to me at that money, did that car sell ?.
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Not yet, I had a lot of interest, some stupid offers and one or two offers that I am still considering.
The advert expired then I had problems logging in to Pistonheads to re-advertise it then Christmas happened.

I will be advertising it again soon to try and get a figure closer to what I was hoping for....
 
I knew someone that had a boxster for about 5 years, I am fairly sure that it was only serviced once. It was very low miles but would you really want a car that had only one oil change in 5 years?

I know it sounds cynical but an S2 just doesn't seem like the sort of car to me that is likely to have been pampered by a service every 1K miles or so and kept in a carcoon.

Some ppl are crazy though, the guy opposite my parents bought a TVR griffith, low miles in really nice condition then spent 15 grand having it rebuilt and resprayed a different colour. No one I know of has ever seen it driven, it lives in a carcoon and looked like a museum piece when he showed it to me (as in not a speck of dirt or corrosion on the suspension for example).
 
ORIGINAL: SimonP

ORIGINAL: pauly

The totally rebuilt turbo on here (Simon P ?) made a lot more sense to me at that money, did that car sell ?.
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Not yet, I had a lot of interest, some stupid offers and one or two offers that I am still considering.
The advert expired then I had problems logging in to Pistonheads to re-advertise it then Christmas happened.

I will be advertising it again soon to try and get a figure closer to what I was hoping for....
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Hello Simon,
I don't know much about your car other than a few pics posted here a while back, why put all that effort in to it and then sell though ?.

Paul.
 
Oli took the words out of my mouth.[:D]

I think most of us are in agreement; there isn't anyone saying very low miles is a bad thing per se, but you do need to consider a very low miles car and how it's been treated recently rather than just assume it's going to be the best example around.

I personally wouldn't advocate any mileage as being better than any other. Faced with 2 otherwise identical cars, one with lots of miles and that has been used regularly (ideally daily) for the immediately preceeding period and one with low miles that has sat around not doing much I'd buy the high mileage one. That it would probably cost me less because the naieve pay more for low odometer readings would just be a bonus, as would my being able to use it as much as I want and never have to worry about putting miles on it and hurting its value.

When I bought my 142,500 mile S2 cab which was the daily drive of the previous owner to put into daily use of 50,000 miles per annum I didn't think twice. I probably wouldn't have bought the car with 42,500 miles however as I'd have devalued it so much by doubling that in under a year. Selling it with 192,000 on it probably wasn't the easiest thing, but in the end I lost 1,450 notes in depreciation on it in 21 months and 50,000 miles (I changed job and didn't do quite 1,000 miles a week from soon after I bought it) and sold it with a minor dent in the front which probably knocked 1/3 of that off the value.

I did spend a fair bit on maintenance having the cams replaced and suspension and brakes refurbed as well as regular servicing and some smaller items, but then I didn't have a car with 16 year old suspension that hadn't been used much, I had a car with new suspension. It did let me down once when the clutch slave failed completely. I knew it was leaking but it packed up the day before it was booked with my indie to have it fixed, which was a pain, but not exactly surprising.
 
Funnily enough I bought my S2 with just about 100K on the clock, now at 172K it drives better then at any other time I have had it. Same as you Fen, the new large quantity of new parts make it this way.
 
ORIGINAL: Neil Haughey

Funnily enough I bought my S2 with just about 100K on the clock, now at 172K it drives better then at any other time I have had it. Same as you Fen, the new large quantity of new parts make it this way.
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Ditto. 117k to 147k, and it's better than ever ...


Oli.
 
ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

I'd think that a car that comes out of a decrepit wooden garage, unused after 15 years, is going to be more expensive to put right and less reliable .
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yeah but did you see the Bugatti Type 57S Atalante found in a decrepit old garage in Newcastle - I wouldn't have cared how many miles mine had done [:D][:D]
 
How on earth did the company who made something that beautiful go on to create the Veyron - possibly the most pointless monstrosity ever built. And to think that it's worth £3m after 70 years, about what a Veyron actually costs to build. [:'(]
 
The Veyron isn't pointless. It's not the most beautiful car ever made I grant you (though it's massively better in all black than the hideous 2-tone schemes it usually comes in), but technically it's awesome. It's not number 1 on my money no object garage list, but it is definitely on there, dare I say it easily as high up as anything with a Stuttgart crest on it.
 
Paul,

The company that made the Type 57s is a very different company to the one that made the Veyron. Given the changes in ownership experienced by the brand "Bugatti" between 1937 and 1997, I'd suspect that any heritage goes little further than the name.

I'm pretty much with Fen on the pointlessness (or otherwise) of the Veyron tho'. As a piece of engineering excellence, it's meant to be simply superb. (And one which may well never be surpassed.)


Oli.
 
Since we've gone way off thread as normal

Mclaren F1 almost half the weight just as quick most of time
Catherham quicker than it round top gear track
Veyron is not that good
Fast yes
Powerful yes
Heavy yes
Expensive to build yes

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