1973 911e barn find

[myatt1972]

Hello all, my first post so be gentle.
I may have the chance to own a 73' 911e that has been dry stored since 1987. It is showing 20k on the clock and is metalic lime green. I have not seen the car but I'am reliably informed that it is in great condition.
If this car turns out to be in good order what sort of money should I be offering?
The car is part of an estate being sold and there is also a 914 with 17k on the clock.
If things go well I will be a regular here, many thanks in advance.
Keith...

 

[jason]

Totally depends on condition. These cars rust. If it needs restoring them the bills add up. Average cars 25k absolute minters 40k + be surprised if it's part of an estate and there is more than one that the trustees will get a specialist who knows these cars and get a value or sell on SOR.

 

[myatt1972]

Thanks for the quick reply jason, I'm not holding my breath with this one but you never know your luck. I should find out by the end of this week if my friend has got the job of clearing the estate so will keep you posted. Keith...

 

[Bertroex]

It helps if it is complete and in original condition. If it is a Model year 1973 2.4E (produced from sep '72 until july '73) , the VIN numbers ought to be in the range: 9113200001 vill 9113201366 Engine numbers 62300001- 6232125 Where do you find the engine number, I hear you ask? Either on the V5 (not very reliable) or here, which is the right "support pillar" of the big fan on the engine:

A 911E ought to look like this (although just noticed it's Hot66 2.4S that is featured here!) [link=http://www.qv500.com/porsche91124p1.php]http://www.qv500.com/porsche91124p1.php[/link] Best is to take loads and loads of pictures and someone here or on forums such as the early porsche forum, [link=http://www.ddk-online.com]www.ddk-online.com[/link] could also of help. Take care, Bert

 

[myatt1972]

Thanks Bert, Lots of useful information for a novice like me. Cheers, Keith...

 

[Ferry Man]

Keith, that Metallic Green is a cool seventies colour. Looks good on an early 911....

 

[myatt1972]

Hi Paul, What a stunning looking car that is, is it one of yours? I should find out this week if I'm going to be a 911 owner, I can hardly sleep at night. Keith...

 

[Robin]

Hi Paul, a lot of us have had those sleepless nights before we bought our Porsche, they are all worthwhile if you get the car, Good Luck.

 

[myatt1972]

Thanks Robin, Can I ask how many sleepless nights have you had since owning one ? Keith...

 

[myatt1972]

I am viewing the car this saturday on my own , no one looking over my shoulder and I have all day. I will be taking my trolley jack my torch and a good prodding tool. Is there anything else I should be taking? Was thinking if lifting carpets too. Keith...

 

[Nick Moss]

Is there anything else I should be taking?

Unless you can buy this car very cheaply, take someone with a lot of experience in these cars. Rust problems can be very hard to spot, don't worry about the mechanical parts too much as everything will need to be striped and rebuilt after such a long lay up. Trim parts are expensive and hard to come by so make sure the car is complete. Good luck

 

[Robin]

I can honestly say that the car has let me down about three times in the 28 years and more than 150000 miles we have done together. Two of these times was for something I did not do correctly the first time. I have just spent quite a lot of money having the engine and gearbox rebuilt for the first time after they have done about 240000 miles in total, and I spent a similar amount in 1992 having the bodywork done, (it needs doing again) I have enjoyed owning the car and drive it as often as I can, rain or shine, it's certainly not a garage queen. Don't have sleepless nights, just enjoy owning and driving it and you will soon understand what I mean. Enjoy your inspection and look at everything including under the carpets.

 

[myatt1972]

Thanks for the input guys, I will spend a lot of time going over the car, I was a mechanic for 8 years so Ive got that in my favour but limited experience with 911's. Keith...

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: Nick Moss

Is there anything else I should be taking?

Unless you can buy this car very cheaply, take someone with a lot of experience in these cars. Rust problems can be very hard to spot, don't worry about the mechanical parts too much as everything will need to be striped and rebuilt after such a long lay up. Trim parts are expensive and hard to come by so  make sure the car is complete. Good luck

keith - like I already said and what Nick (he's an early 911 specialist) says above - the difference in what looks good and shiny and what hides horrors is huge, and the difference in what knowing in advance and not may cost you can be stratospheric! It would be really worthwhile taking and paying for an expert to be with you. IMHO

 

[myatt1972]

I wish there was someone like Nick in the Stafford area (maybe there is?) but not to my knowledge. I have been scouring your website Nick and must say the work you do is outstanding. I'm hoping to buy it at a very good price but I will not be blinded by a shiny outer shell, ive been doing a lot of research and have written a list of points to go through, I suspect I will be there all day. Thanks for all your comments, its a great help. I will be taking pics on Saturday so will post some here as soon as possible. Cheers, Keith...

 

[Nick Moss]

I will be taking pics on Saturday so will post some here as soon as possible.

Get pictures of the underside; the sills, front suspension pan, the back of the front inner arches, the area around the rear torsion bar mount/chassis rails. Inside; take pictures of the rear floor edges and pedal box area. In the luggage compartment; battery boxes, tank support. In the engine bay feel up under the windscreen corners for corrosion in the parcel shelf and the inner wings above the electrics panel and aroundthe oil tank aperture. Check all the panel gaps. Chack the windscreen apertures. It seems you have already looked at my website, there are plenty of pictures there of the horror areas. Chris Sargent at GCR in Leicester is very knowledgeable.

 

[oldtimer]

I'm reading this thread with interest [] Excellent advice from Jason and from Nick. Its probably too late now to get an expert in for Saturday but thats what I would have advised if its possible .....Peter Morgan used to operate with associates on Pre Purchase Inspection and you can probably trawl up others on the web , DDK is a good reference site for UK. At the end of the day if you like it and you can afford it and have a piggy bank for any downstream work then do it as you wont get many opportunities arising. However I'd have thought nothing moving for 20 years would mean loads of stripping down and/or freeing off brakes suspension clutch...engine !!!! Lord knows what state the MFI is in, hopefully better than the battery(s) []

 

[usermjg]

Hi Myatt1972 Im not expert and would never claim to be one, however I own a 1977, 911 and I live in Penkridge. If you need a second pair of eyes I more than willing.

 

[myatt1972]

Hi Marc, thats a very kind offer but my friend has twisted the soliciters arm to get me in, its a complicated affair with two of three sons written out of the will, everything is under lock and key. Nice to know of a local owner, I'm in Baswich. Thanks for the pointers Nick, very helpful. I will post my findings tomorrow. I'm hoping things go well but think after standing for this long that its unlikely, but if I dont look I will never know. Keith...

 

[usermjg]

Ok no worries, good luck.