1986 951 UPGRADES ?

[Dan944t]

hi again,
if you get your car and take a look undernieth and see it’s the original probably rusted up it’s most deffinately knakered as 30 years of hot cycles will degrade the spring tension.

when you get your car let me know if it’s original,take a photo and show us if it hasn’t been touched with spacers it’s most deffinately tired and won’t hold the correct boost. .. if so i have the promax boost inhancer from when i started to mod my car i was going to sell it one day but you are going to be busy for a while changing all the service items out so let me know how it goes and if it’s the original, to u can send me your address and i will send it to you as a gift! you will then have a noticeable boost in power as your boost will be restored as it holds onto the boost and spools the turbo quicker , and restoranit back to standard trim, you can also adjust it and it only takes 10 mins to install. so will be smiles everyday drive , and you will then get bitten by the bug on the slippery slope with most of us on here ??

i am currently running standard exhuast system up to the middle so just past the resonator then it’s custom up to my tailpipe which is a chrome racing cherry bomb ( quite rare from the states i was told) the tial is a lovely bit of kit all stainless and solid, i personally wouldn’t get the LR as it’s a modifield standard unit , good as it bolts on like the standard but my tial DPW bolted straight on too it’s just one of the nuts for the vacum pipe is close to the exhuast but i could manuver it different and fix it , but doesn’t bother me.

my next mod is a larger custom turbo which i overlooked w he n building my engine , i rebuilt my turbo instead but hindsight i would have waited till i could afford a larger turbo before getting the engine built up and in the car. I was under preasure as i had booked in months in advance to get it live mapped with wayne the wizzard, so the turbo size didn’t enter my head as i had a engine to build up from scratch and had a deadline to meet.

things become very expensive with these cars especially when you go down the heavy modifications as said before, one thing needs 3 or more other things to be in sink with it to work in harmony so your always tweaking and adding ect.... i could go on but you get it now i’m sure ??

Daniel

 

[hesketh]

good morning Daniel,
thanks for your reply.
what should i take a photo of when the car arrives - the turbo or the waste-gate ?
and yes i will share a pics of the car, engine and underside when it arrives.
thanks you so much thats very very kind of you !
yours must sound very nice - i need to get my exhaust upgraded to as its not a mean as i would like it. i've spoken to haywards & scott they have some very good reviews for s/s Porsche exhaust systems.
okay thanks for that i will go for the DPW by Tial once the car is up to spec !
nice i'm guessing the new turbo will up the hp a fair bit ? what year is your 951 ?
yes so i have learnt in the past week or so 1 thing needs 3 very true !
i've just about sussed it all out

heres a pic of the engine

https://ibb.co/RP9kJY3

 

[hesketh]

here is an album showing lots of photos of the car

https://ibb.co/album/RTk9Vk

thanks

 

[edh]

One thought....
If this is an '86 early offset car, then it would be well worth looking at changing the wheels. A lighter set of wheels would make quite a difference to how it drives.
You have the option of Fuchs (v expensive) or early offset teledials, both look great IMO.

 

[PSH]

Hi H
that car looks to be in pretty good shape, not easy to tell from photos but the area where they usually rust, the bottom of wings and sills look pretty good. Removing the door shut vents and using an endoscope into the sill area would be good for 'peace of mind' . Interior looks very good too, I bet a good polish would transform the paintwork. Shame there are no pictures of the engine bay to check all is as should be under there. I would agree with others to give the car a good check over to see what needs changing before making it a daily driver or adding too many mods. Rubber parts are what you need to pay particular close attention too and don't forget the tyres, I would change those as a matter of course as you'll probably find they have hardened with age and have zero grip.

I would also ask the current owner if he/she still has the underbody shielding, there should be two alloy covers that go from the front batwing to the back of the engine under the sump etc. These are important parts for the airflow under the car, also as it's an '86' I would have expected to see the front brake cooling ducts, it may be that they are just out of view, IIRC these were a standard fitting for the early cars.

She looks a good find, well done to you...

Pete

 

[PSH]

Oh

Just noted the volt reading, looks like you will need a new battery, hoping it's just that and not the alternator too.

Pete

 

[hesketh]

@edh thanks for the reply yes its a december 31st 1986 car, ahh great to know thank you ill have a look for other alloys.
I have had fuchs on my early 911s and have had teledials on 2.7 944, are the alloys currently on the wrong alloys for this car ? i really like the look of these on the turbo

@PSH Hiya Buddy, the sills were replaced a few years ago i removed the door vents and checked and looks very very neat inside. no sign of rust on the car anywhere that i could see.
Yes interior looks quite neat a few things missing like the door pulls to angle the seats forward and the clock isn't working but they are minor.
Yes the paint will need a very good polish to make it look gleaming again !
Heres a link to photos of the engine bay - https://ibb.co/RP9kJY3 does it look complete ?
this is the full set of pics - https://ibb.co/album/RTk9Vk
ye tyres all round will be changed - can i put wider tyres on the car for a more better look at the back ?
for sure i will ask him about those parts thanks for letting me know, if he dosen't have them are they expensive items to buy ?
yes and will need a new battery the seller has already told me - thanks so much Pete !

best

h

 

[PSH]

If the missing parts aren't there check with Porsche main dealers first for their availability, lots of parts were reintroduced a few years back when Porsche had an inter-dealer comp to restore old transaxle models, this meant some NLA parts were remade. If no joy there these parts do come up on eBay now and then, so keep an eye out. Those sills are original patterns so you know that someone did things properly in the past.

As to wider tyres, yes you could although depends on the size wheel you currently have, it's all down to personal taste, I'm a keep original person when it comes to the exterior, bigger wider tyres just mean a slower car... Personally, as yours is an early offset I'd fit as Edh suggested, either Fuchs or deep-dish teledials, IMHO, no wheel suits the car better than the deep dish teledials. As your's is the later '86' it may be that the brake cooling ducts were no longer fitted, others more knowledgeable than I will know.

The engine looks in the original format, I would check the coolant though, I can't see any in there and this is very important for the alloy block, blocks have been known to corrode between oil and water galleys due to no coolant, sort that out asap.

 

[Dan944t]

good morning Daniel,
thanks for your reply.
what should i take a photo of when the car arrives - the turbo or the waste-gate ?
and yes i will share a pics of the car, engine and underside when it arrives.
thanks you so much thats very very kind of you !
yours must sound very nice - i need to get my exhaust upgraded to as its not a mean as i would like it. i've spoken to haywards & scott they have some very good reviews for s/s Porsche exhaust systems.
okay thanks for that i will go for the DPW by Tial once the car is up to spec !
nice i'm guessing the new turbo will up the hp a fair bit ? what year is your 951 ?
yes so i have learnt in the past week or so 1 thing needs 3 very true !
i've just about sussed it all out

heres a pic of the engine

https://ibb.co/RP9kJY3

yes take pics of the wastegate when you get the car.

yes my exhuast sounds aggresive when on boost! would never change it!

here’s mine you can just make the exhuast out

https://i.imgur.com/nbogyLE.jpg


https://imgur.com/a/eDIAdik

 

[hesketh]

@PSH yes i will do my local Porsche dealership/workshop is just down the road ! Yes he did say the person who does his welding is very knowledgeable i bought my 2.7 944 off the same seller as this 944T and he had the sills done on that before i bought the car and they were spot on too.
maybe at a later date i will add the Fuchs, for now its service the car belts + the upgrades.

re brake cooling ducts do you mean these - https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/529313762454243643/?nic_v1=1agMM1woaRxzDYGt%2BL84Qvmelb9lt1IK6sue06Lb9FkH0ZJe5n80t%2FjKm3089%2FDEhb ?

yes now that you have said that i will inform the seller -
the car went for its MOT - its failed on 3 light bulbs, no windscreen fluid, one bolt missing in the alloy, small oil leak coming from an old perished pipe
so the seller is getting that sorted and then i will go get the car.

@Dan944T for sure i will do buddy.
what exhaust is fitted on yours ? looks very nice !
love your interior black and cream ! and nice racing wheel - i'm thinking of fitting one too

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Momo-Prototipo-Leder-Lenkrad-schw-350mm-mit-Nabe-f%C3%BCr-Porsche-944-Turbo-S2-86-91/162984504437?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

would this be okay ?

thanks

h

 

[PSH]

No, those are aftermarket parts, not really sure what they are supposed to do, the picture doesn't really show.

Here's a picture from the PET catalogue... part number 14 is the cooling duct, one for each side, opposites of course. There are then 90-degree alloy curved sections bolted to the (IIRC) suspension structs which direct the air from the end of the duct directly onto the brake disk to cool it. One of the many parts that were dropped from later models to save money.

Pete

 

[Dan944t]

that says it will fit. i have the mono quick release hub and mini wheel so that when i park the car i can take off the wheel for extra security . makes me feel better no one will take my car

the exhuast is a rare stainless cherry bomb can’t remember the exact name but it has it embossed on the tip, something Racing.

im not very good at posting pics and vids but this hopefully has sound you can hear it’s very nice in tick over and no drone, but when you add the boost sounds aggressive but in a powerhouse nice way. hard to discribe the sound unlike i have ever heard on a sports car.

https://imgur.com/a/yzp2qiE

hopefully the sound works ?

Daniel

 

[hesketh]

@psh ahhh i see. ill check if mine has the ducts fitted when i get it. will be interesting to know.

found them on ebay to get a better look at them
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Porsche-944-Turbo-Brake-Cooling-Air-Duct-right-passe-Side-FL-5-951-575-362-00-/163344189295

@Dan944T oh yes quick release i completely forget, i will probs go for one of them like you said added security also !
the exhaust looks the part ! unfortunately the sound isn't working so i couldn't hear it
wow your engine looks absolutely outstanding !! so so clean it looks the part for sure ! amazing work !

best
h

 

[blade7]

https://i.imgur.com/nbogyLE.jpg


https://imgur.com/a/eDIAdik

17" Cups are far and away the best wheels for a 944 turbo. In early offset they aren't silly money now either.

 

[hesketh]

@blade7 yes indeed they look very nice ! Dan's car looks the part !

h

 

[blade7]

I don't usually like red, but that does look good. The air filter isn't doing the engine any favours though. I felt a bit seasick watching the clips too [:'(].

 

[Dan944t]

cheers guys, sorry been off line a few days ....

yes your 100% blade i hate having the air filter there! just havnt got round to a good solution yet,..i’m sure that and the turbo is a massive hold up on potetial power. i’ve got a catch can on the front right behind the nearside front light, so it’s sort of in the way now i suppose, will have to move it else where if i want to pipe it somewhere there but not really sure where to put it or how i can do my piping as i’m also still using the AFM so it kind of hinders things a bit as the inlet faces the off side , so id have to have a bend on it to get it to go towards the nearside light. something i’ve wanted to sort for years but having to do the engine build from floor up got in the way and used all my savings for the car.

and regarding the paintwork, this colour is a pain in the ar@@!!! one day i’m gonna get it all done in laquer!!

and yes i’m a terrible video man sorry ??

 

[PSH]

i’ve got a catch can on the front right behind the nearside front light, so it’s sort of in the way now i suppose, will have to move it else where if i want to pipe it somewhere there but not really sure where to put it

Hi Dan

I have my catch tank where the charcoal canister used to be, I have a large bore silicone hose which goes through the hole that the canister hose used to use, a bracket was made using the original canister mounting points to hold the can in place.
This is where it sits, I think we may have made a better bracket later, can't remember..

This picture helps to show where the hose runs, you can see it running along near the top of the bulkhead and into the wing.

H, the position that Dan has his air filter which as rightly been pointed out by Paul to not be in a good place is where that adaptor that I have will put it. This was back in the day where modifying 951's was relatively new, hell, back then we didn't use a 3 BAR FPR, we just squeezed the original a little to increase pressure. This was actually the direction given by many aftermarket parts suppliers 20+ years ago. IIRC instructions were given on LR's website, along with others.

Pete

 

[blade7]

cheers guys, sorry been off line a few days ....

yes your 100% blade i hate having the air filter there!

and yes i’m a terrible video man sorry ??

Fit a standard airbox if you can find one?

 

[Dan944t]

cheers guys, sorry been off line a few days ....

yes your 100% blade i hate having the air filter there!

and yes i’m a terrible video man sorry ??

Fit a standard airbox if you can find one?

yes mate your right,..been thinking that exact thing myself,..untill the day i can afford a maf i am just wasting power sucking in hot air.
Luckily my car is was bog standard when i bought it many moons ago so still have my standard box ??