2010 fun event

[Suffolk944]

Sounds a fine idea in theory though I would be concerned about possible implications with no insurance if something did go wrong. Even more so if two cars were involved and we ended up with an unpleasant dispute between the respective drivers.

Am also not sure if whether, despite any waivers people may sign, those organising such a thing would in fact still be held liable under Health and Safety legislation. Stone chips could be the least of anyones worries. I think there's a whole heap of things to be considered before undertaking such a gathering.

Sorry to be the voice of dissent on this one but I think there are alot of things to be thought through properly, and for that reason (for the moment) ahm oot.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Sounds a fine idea in theory though I would be concerned about possible implications with no insurance if something did go wrong. Even more so if two cars were involved and we ended up with an unpleasant dispute between the respective drivers.

That's why I raised the indemnity issue earlier. I'd suggest that there might be some legal issues between the "organiser" and anyone who felt they had suffered a loss. I don't see why the same disclaimers that trackday organisers use wouldn't be suitable, but I'd guess there's a reason why they have their legal contract with the customer drawn up so carefully.

In theory, the idea of a track with no limits and all day to play sounds great. In practice it could be a recipe for disaster, but TBH I think we're all pretty mature and sensible here. Mature, at least.....[&:]

Perhaps piggy-backing off of someone else's event is less trouble, Graham's hill climb idea sounds like a distinct possibility. I'd imagine that the trackday organisers would be open to discussion about a day exclusive to us, they must be keen to increase business at the moment. With two open days over the next few weeks it'd be nice to get different things like a dyno day, track day, Christmas pub meet ([]) added to the events faq.

Des, that's reminded me that there was a Christmas meal being mooted around a while ago. Any news?

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: Diver944
Nope, don't do that I'm afraid

Interesting ... don't tout for business, or don't do spraying?

(I'm hoping not the latter; I have always held you as a kind of talisman against my car getting keyed; knowing that if it does, there is someone whom I know and trust to sort it out ... )


Oli.

 

[Peter Empson]

I don't disagree Jon, I can't help feeling there would need to be some kind of basic liabilities insurance in place (for spectators and so on), events insurance must be quite common and I can't imagine it will make an event uneconomic. As for one driver claiming against another, well I'd expect trackday rules would apply, so it'd be between themselves to sort it out. Simples. []

I wont go into this with my eyes closed, I have started enquiries with places that have already held events as hopefully they may have some guidelines for what's required, but think I should approach Curborough again (I tried a few years ago and got to a dead end) as I can't help feeling this maybe the ideal venue, albeit being a little closer in feel to a trackday than the sort of event I was ideally thinking of. But there's always 2011 for an even more ambitious event!

 

[John Sims]

Was talking to someone this evening who has an event at Snetterton. Seemingly that costs IRO £10,000 for the day subject to time of year.

The issue of rules, regulations and Health & Safety can not be ignored. I would further suggest there could be no form of timing or competitive element, if this were linked with The Club, as this could invalidate our MSA accreditation.

 

[PSH]

I would further suggest there could be no form of timing or competitive element, if this were linked with The Club, as this could invalidate our MSA accreditation.

hmmm.. surely that's only the case if it's a PCGB run event which I'm sure this isn't as it's a private affair between both PCGB members and non members?

For me, being able to do a timed run is what would attract me to such an event, I know my car is fast, I know it's very fast but I want to know how fast?......[][][]

I guess what I'm saying is if no timing equipment then I wouldn't attend... sorry guys


Pete

 

[Suffolk944]

Yes am not saying its a bad idea (quite the contrary), just that it needs to be done properly and with everything in place for everyones sake.

Am sure trackday places etc carry Public Liability and Personal Injury insurance plus have first aid cover, pre checked routes to hospital and all sorts of other things sorted out too which we would need to do as well if we weren't piggybacking on someone elses event/venue.

If it can all be done then brilliant, it would be an excellent addition to the event calender.

 

[Peter Empson]

Don't worry John, it will be nothing to do with PCGB, I just wanted to get some thoughts from visitors here as this is the best forum, I will whore the idea on all the other forums when a plan is hatched []. For the airfield event I think timing will really make the day, adding a light competitive element, but still with safety very much in mind.

The figure of £10K for Snetterton doesn't surprise me, but I'm not quite that ambitious!

 

[John Sims]

Silverstone, Rockingham and many other circuits have vast carparks which are empty when there isn't a race on, or if it is a small event, perhaps one of these could be had for small money for some form of autotest (without going backwards []). This would be great as it would put all of the cars on a level footing with no direct advantage in having a Turbo.

We can also have fun without going at silly speeds so reducing the prospect of l'accident.

 

[poprock]

This all sounds like great fun to me. Much less pressure on novices than at a "˜proper' trackday.

I'm reluctant to make any promises since my usual complaint of "˜too far south' is almost certain to raise its head "¦ but in theory this would make a fun trip down to your part of the country and I quite fancy it.

I've attended a TIPEC trackday at Bruntingthorpe and found that to be a good, cheap(ish) airfield circuit "¦ used for cars almost exclusively these days (they even have their own small fleet for track experiences). We shared it with a Caterham/Westfield/etc club for the day.

I'd recommend Knockhill, but can't see you lot trekking all the way up here to Scotland anytime soon "¦

 

[Peter Empson]

I really want to do Knockhill, but it's a bit of a trek, maybe next year if I can make a few days break out of it.

I am thinking of doing Anglesey soon (which is still a fairly long way north for me) as they have a Sunday trackday coming up, although I think I'd be knackered to drive up there on Saturday evening after a full days work. I did say to myself I'd do it this year though, so maybe I should keep my promise.

 

[lali]

here's an idea... why dont we just ask a TDO to organise a day for us?

I notice that Bookatrack often do Lotus Only days? Yes it might make it a little bit more prcey but at least everything in place.

 

[Diver944]

I've done Knockhill - fantastic little circuit []

The trouble with an organised dedicated trackday would be trying to find about 60 front engined cars to turn up on the same day [] Easytrack just about manage it with their Oulton RS day every spring but even then they need a few front enders to make up the numbers.

Why don't we just get Melindi to organise another Gold Track Karting evening at Daytona for us. It's competeitive, its cheap, its central'ish and it doesn't involve anyone risking their pride and joy

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Why don't we just get Melindi to organise another Gold Track Karting evening at Daytona for us. It's competeitive, its cheap, its central'ish and it doesn't involve anyone risking their pride and joy

Very good idea! Empson might get that bottom corner right this time! [][][]

 

[Peter Empson]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

Very good idea! Empson might get that bottom corner right this time! [][][]

I was mearly pushing the boundries to find where the limit was. Trouble is I never found the limit as I was always exceeding it []

With the karting we've struggled to get more than 3-5 of us in the past and I bet this year will be the same (really looking forward to it though). It's also quite expensive and non 944 related.

A trackday will understandably be £150+ each or so for the day if we get an organiser involved, and so it will put off the majority of people and it becomes a much more formal type event.

I'm probably being very narrow minded, but I really can't see how much danger there is with a drag/vmax/slalom/auto test type event, lots take place regularly and I believe they must be the safest forms of motorsport (vmax is probably a bit more dodgy, but that's not a necessity). I do like the idea of getting a car park at a circuit, Silverstone definately do this as I've seen Caterhams there, but I suspect their charges will be relatively high compared to other venues and might be a bit more tetchy about noise.

I'll keep doing some digging and see what I can come up with, but hopefully there's always Curborough to fall back on if I can't come up with a more cunning plan.

 

[PSH]

you know for the drag part and considering in an attempt to avoid any possible problems we could always do a RWYB day at Santa Pod... I did one many years ago with the 928 boys and it was a lot of fun. It's flexible , it's very cheap and you can arrange it so that you can race whoever you wish just by where you are in the que. Anyway.. it's another possible fun day for anyone interested, think the current price is £25 entry and £10 to run, this covers you for a smany runs as you wish.

Pete

 

[Peter Empson]

Fair point Pete, but I don't think it seems quite special or varied enough to make it a big draw to get a large gathering. I'd love to be proved wrong and there's nothing stopping us having a meet at one if enough people post that they want to have a go. I suspect a lot of people will avoid it for gearbox/clutch/tyre reasons too.

 

[Suffolk944]

I'm probably being very narrow minded, but I really can't see how much danger there is with a drag/vmax/slalom/auto test type event, lots take place regularly and I believe they must be the safest forms of motorsport

I agree with that in principal,it is just that many folk in many situations have asked "Whats the worst that could happen ?" and then sadly found out shortly afterwards. [&:]

The chances of something going wrong are very small but the implications could be very great if things are overlooked by us "enthusiastic amateurs". []

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: PSH
... we could always do a RWYB day at Santa Pod...

Hmmm. While 'tis a good idea, 944s are (and never were) about straight line speed (or acceleration.) Something to display the car to the strengths would be good - so a circuit or autotest type thing, for preference. Although this could be in addition to a SP RWYB type thing.


Oli.

 

[Peter Empson]

Don't worry Jon, I can assure you that if this is going to happen it will be done with all the correct paperwork sorted.