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718 Cayman GT4 is here – at long last.!

Ha! Always love what the translators throw out Ralph - mostly understandable but with the odd curved ball (I wonder what the reverse translation of that would come out as..?).

Anyway, it makes a change from the seemingly endless waffle trotted out on one particular forum by keyboard warriors with unsubstantiated personal opinions about sound, gearing, steering, etc., when they've not actually driven the new car.

I guess we're going to have to wait a while for the hacks to get their hands on RHD cars for a full appraisal on UK roads and to get real world opinions from those who've been fortunate enough to bag a car.

Jeff

 
I'm not so sure they're all "unsubstantiated personal opinions", Jeff - the sound you can make your own judgement on from numerous videos, gearing and torque is the same as the 981 so we know what that's like and the clutch/steering we have comments on in reviews. No-one's guessing at anything.

 
yep agree the issues are carried across from the last car, and the added new ones which of course we don't know about, like lighter steering and a softer over all car !!! was the GT4 too hard core ?

faster it might well be, but who cares any more, new cars are not for the real enthusiast.

we have been forced into these regs and until hybrids are out in nice sports cars, I cannot see me lusting over anything new in the interim.

I would have the hybrid mini if were in the right mini shape tomorrow for the misses, but it's in the county man !!

kers in sports cars could be exciting, push to over take thrills giving you 150bhp more..

until then it seems the petrol filters, stop start, cylinder deactivation, more weight is not the ideal Recipe to make the sports car we all wish for.

It feels all rushed to me and the USA don't get such issues !!!! their cars won't have the petrol filters !

the 600lt will be a nice buy and has steering feel in the bucket load, just need to get in at the right price and carry a fire extinguisher :)

if I had the cash, I would be in a 458 speciale but it's too rich for me.

 
Agreed Dave, but I was merely saying that people are passing opinions based upon comments made by the hacks and not from personal experience, other than maybe hearing a car passing by in the confines of the Goodwood FoS. As far as I know, no-one but the hacks has driven a car to be able comment on the revised package which needs to be treated as a whole rather than its component parts.

All I'll say about the sound quality on video recordings is that that they're an unreliable representation of what you'd actually hear either in-car or outside, for which binaural recording and play-back is required.

Personally I take it as a positive that current GT4 owners appear to be disinclined to chop-in their car for the latest model - potentially it leaves the field more open to those who're interested in purchasing the new car. Another plus is that 981 GT4 prices inevitably will start to soften, making GT4 ownership more affordable either for those who baulk at the new car's price or who choose a 981 over the 982. Sounds like a win-win to me for anyone in the market for a GT4..!

Jeff

 
not in the market for a GT4 but I will be for a 997.1 GT3 soon.

Full circle for me, 997.1 GT3 and put £30k into it to make it workable for me and a proper drive.

I just cannot part with my 991.2 manual GT3 atm to fund such a project. But feel lucky in the cars I DO own atm that I love all 4.

I just need to get back to 3, 2 even. Shame I did not bond with my 991.1 GTS :-( that's was costly.

 
Nice position to be in D.

I have to agree with many of the comments in your previous post but one particular problem is that in order to sell their cars, manufacturers have to meet the regulations imposed by specific markets, such as EU vs US where the requirement for GPFs is different.

The car industry's in a state of flux at the moment and I can't see things settling down for some time yet. I doubt that niche vehicles like sports cars are very high on the agenda of the car industry CEOs, meaning that a company like Porsche which relies quite heavily upon successful sports car production is entering a difficult period in its history.

Jeff

 
Motorhead said:
Agreed Dave, but I was merely saying that people are passing opinions based upon comments made by the hacks and not from personal experience, other than maybe hearing a car passing by in the confines of the Goodwood FoS. As far as I know, no-one but the hacks has driven a car to be able comment on the revised package which needs to be treated as a whole rather than its component parts.

All I'll say about the sound quality on video recordings is that that they're an unreliable representation of what you'd actually hear either in-car or outside, for which binaural recording and play-back is required.

Personally I take it as a positive that current GT4 owners appear to be disinclined to chop-in their car for the latest model - potentially it leaves the field more open to those who're interested in purchasing the new car. Another plus is that 981 GT4 prices inevitably will start to soften, making GT4 ownership more affordable either for those who baulk at the new car's price or who choose a 981 over the 982. Sounds like a win-win to me for anyone in the market for a GT4..!

Jeff
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Number of 981 GT4 on Porsche Approved cars has gone from 19 to 9 in the last week. Cheapest is £70k for a 30,000 mile 2015. Nearly all of those waiting for a 982 GT4 won't get one, will see the light, and if they really want a GT4 realise that there is not enough difference to make it worth the wait or hassle or price for a new one (it will be £85k-£90k for a mediumish spec 982 GT4) and pile into a used one. The prices will hold relatively well for that reason alone. Or they'll get bored and go elsewhere. As has been mentioned elsewhere, it seems that there are a lot of 981 GT4 owners who are perfectly happy where they are. Then again, I'm bound to say that..... :)

 
Motorhead said:
Chris,

You may be interested in this link which is currently doing the rounds:

https://www.caymanoc.com/old-home/records/the-slow-decay-of-porsche-prices-r58/

Jeff
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Motorhead said:
Chris,

You may be interested in this link which is currently doing the rounds:

https://www.caymanoc.com/old-home/records/the-slow-decay-of-porsche-prices-r58/

Jeff
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Yes saw it - with all due respect to the author (whom I think I've met - very nice chap indeed) it's unsubstantiated waffle that anyone can knock out on a Sunday afternoon after half a bottle of Chianti. I'd prefer to look at market forces and add a dollop of reality.

Old one was too cheap - we all know that.

The market forces proved that - and continue to do so.

New one with mid spec - £90k.

Supply - limited no matter what they say.

Reviews - tbc but those who know suspect that they will all be underwhelming in terms of any significant uplift.

Power - can bolt on to 981 GT4 for £7.5k-£10k (if you really need it - I don't)

Gearbox - the same!

Tuneabilty - got to be less/more complicated with cylinder cut offs, emissions, GPFs, etc.

Aero - for most mortals it won't apply.

Opinions - most who have an opinion haven't even driven a 981 GT4, let alone owned one, so I've no idea how they can comment in any event

But I'm bound to say that aren't I..

 
Jeff,

As a hill climber of some considerable experience, the 982 GT4 manual is not at all suited to the hill climb discipline due to the long gearing and maximum torque peaking at 5000 rpm. In my hillclimbing days, a high first gear, followed by short, close ratios in 2nd, and 3rd gears were what you wanted for podium times. Looking at Catchpole's attempt, my 718 GTS PDK even with a septuagenarian driver, would leave him far behind.

The 982 GT4 needs a PDK option for track days and motorsport.

Brian

 
BJ Innes said:
Jeff,

As a hill climber of some considerable experience, the 982 GT4 manual is not at all suited to the hill climb discipline due to the long gearing and maximum torque peaking at 5000 rpm. In my hillclimbing days, a high first gear, followed by short, close ratios in 2nd, and 3rd gears were what you wanted for podium times. Looking at Catchpole's attempt, my 718 GTS PDK even with a septuagenarian driver, would leave him far behind.

The 982 GT4 needs a PDK option for track days and motorsport.

Brian
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Brian,

I completely agree with you. My CR was PDK and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Are you still around for Knockhill ?

Cx.

 
Jeff and Chris,

Enjoyed the report on the Knockhill 982 GT4 test. If ever there is a circuit to test the chassis of a sports car, Knockhill is the ONE. Blind crests and dips, kerbs you can use, and a vicious hairpin with a fast approach will test any car and driver, no mater how accomplished or experienced.

I am looking forward to driving my 718 CGTS at Knockhill on August 17th. Although not having so sophisticated a chassis as the 982 GT4, I'm expecting my GTS to put up a very reasonable show and to be among the fastest road cars on the day. I'll also be interested to see how close I can get to Walter Röhrl's time with the 982 GT4. No timing allowed on the day of course, but my GoPro will not lie.

Brian

 
Go for it Brian..! You've a number of important things in your favour:

[ol][*]You know the circuit very well;[*]You've got a great chassis and punchy turbo engine in your GTS which are ideal for Knockhill;[*]The location and weather in Scotland are always fantastic.[/ol]Well, maybe point 3 could be a little far-fetched weather-wise but hopefully it will be OK on the day..!

Looking forward to reading your report. Unfortunately a 760 mile round trip is a bit too much of a stretch for me to think about joining you, much as I'd like to.

Jeff

 
Thanks Jeff.

Points 1 and 2 are fair comment, Point 3, the weather, is always a gamble at Knockhill. I'll be hoping for a dry day, the sun shining is an optional extra.

I'm looking forward to the event, despite it being a 400 mile round trip south from the Highlands for me. Perhaps meeting a few forum contributors who make the long journey north to this great little circuit. I understand Chris W is taking his modified 981 GT4 along for the day. Looking forward to a few passenger laps Chris.

Brian

 
And another video, looks like a harness is better than single belt

[tube]https://youtu.be/8mlP7sAFYB4[/tube]

 
BJ Innes said:
Thanks Jeff.

Points 1 and 2 are fair comment, Point 3, the weather, is always a gamble at Knockhill. I'll be hoping for a dry day, the sun shining is an optional extra.

I'm looking forward to the event, despite it being a 400 mile round trip south from the Highlands for me. Perhaps meeting a few forum contributors who make the long journey north to this great little circuit. I understand Chris W is taking his modified 981 GT4 along for the day. Looking forward to a few passenger laps Chris.

Brian
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Yes I will be there .. and yes ! Cx.

 
ralphmusic said:
Another day, another review. Andrew Frankel this time

https://www.autocar.co.uk...8-cayman-gt4-uk-review
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That's Autocar very late to the party ... and I'm afraid it's all been said by others. He does at least give due praise to the new engine, which was somewhat lacking in the previous car.

"Feels like a more mainstream car than the last, until you find the right road and discover it’s as special as ever"

"fast, fun and almost absurdly accessible"

What's not to like?

Jeff

 
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