924srr27L Lightweight Doors / Suspension / Bump steer etc..

[924Srr27l]

Btw - It shouldn't surprise me given your laissez faire attitude to safety but a reasonable accident will see you with a broken spine given your harness strap locations.

You'd be better running the straps over the cross bar provided you're sure about its strength and rigidity.

By the way did you know this, did you know that etc..

Your constant (Often personal) negative remarks are getting quite annoying, or my patience (like my hair) with your relentless

picky snipes is getting thin.

The angle of the 3 point road clasp 2" harness is within the recommended tolerance thankyou,

I look forward to answering your next batch of criticism.....



R

 

[924Srr27l]

Indeed so. A friend of mine came close to dying in a crash when the seat back crushed allowing the belts to go slack.

An interesting use of tubes. I don't really see the point of the rear one as it is behind any of the suspension mounting points and triangulating to the middle of a tube isn't ideal.

Personally I am pretty much averse to harnesses without a roll hoop as, should the car roll, you can't get out of the way if the roof compresses. A roll hoop is pretty much the minimum Blue Book requirement for any series and deemed adequate in only the most lowly of events.

I think you would be far better stripping out your home made scaffolding and putting in some proper protection that can be suitably triangulated and provide an adequate seat belt mounting.

And, (with regard to removing the heater) very sensibly, most race series for enclosed cars specify a heater or demister of some kind must be provided as not being able to see out of the screen isn't considered terribly safe.

John, I've told you several times this is a ROAD car, Fully road legal with an MOT etc...

It's not a Race car, may never be and does not require any blue book specifications to do with Racing pursuits.

Hence the heater's staying in, and the additional chassis stiffening makes this shell stiffen than any OE car so it's a bonus.

Triangulating 2 chassis tubes together is a proven method in chassis building



The aluminium tubing is a high quality engineering grade material, cut made and welded by an

Aviation specialist and is not as your rude remark suggests "Home made Scaffolding" !

R

 

[Eldavo]

The picture clearly shows that your harness straps are not more than 90 degrees from the seat back.

Once again you've contradicted yourself, shown yourself to be needlessly belligerent and I'm sure you'll quote some spurious ex-NASA engineer did all the work for you!

I will agree that constant spamming of the forum with the same rubbish does wear one's patience greatly. However, a different person may see that there are strong elements of constructive criticism in my posts - any negativity is usually biased towards your actions and inconsistencies rather than you as an individual.

Don't write off the next "batch of criticism" from this forum - as it just might save your life.

 

[924Srr27l]

They serve no purpose, but Im now wasting the 'breath'.

With regards to weight: if the car hasn't been dipped then no amount of spurious drilling is going to get its weight down.

Your wasting your breath & time every time you post & type a quip !

What serves no purpose ?

If the car hasn't been Dipped drilling is not going to reduce the weight ?

What the Heck are you on about now ?

R

 

[924Srr27l]

The picture clearly shows that your harness straps are not more than 90 degrees from the seat back.

Once again you've contradicted yourself, shown yourself to be needlessly belligerent and I'm sure you'll quote some spurious ex-NASA engineer did all the work for you!

I will agree that constant spamming of the forum with the same rubbish does wear one's patience greatly. However, a different person may see that there are strong elements of constructive criticism in my posts - any negativity is usually biased towards your actions and inconsistencies rather than you as an individual.

Don't write off the next "batch of criticism" from this forum - as it just might save your life.

Once again you've shown yourself to be full of it.

The webbing behind the seat is slack and not done up in that picture, when fastened it is well within the suggested band angle.

Next.....? Have you noticed the drilled fag lighter ? maybe this could be a risk for catching on fire now that I've lightened it?

R

 

[John Sims]

I see no point in commenting further. I the spirit of Dragons Den "I'm out".

 

[944Turbo]

I think the atom may offer a solution to the door weight problem, replace door with tubes.

 

[vitesse]

Perhaps just as well,John-as an Administer,you of all people should know better than to post comments such as "home made scaffold tubes" or whatever -the fabrications look very professional to me in the jpegs.

As owner of 2 -924S's ,1 of which is tweaked & tracked /sprinted occasionally,I find Roger's posts very interesting & even as a qualified Physicist & Mechanical Engineer with years of experience of design,casting,fabrication,special purpose machinery,construction,etc,I wish to learn more all the time.

Yes,posts are very often "over the top" but like TV,you don't have to read /watch them.

 

[944 man]

TANGO ROMEO PAPA!

 

[924Srr27l]

I think the atom may offer a solution to the door weight problem, replace door with tubes.

There is no door weight problem, the current doors on the car now are lighter than stock (Lexan window & wind up mech)

But I want to shed more from this area, and I'm more than aware and happy to proceed with the added potential

safety issues it may offer.

I was thinking full Fiberglass Doors but felt this would be really risky as glass Fibre is obviously a lot less stronger than

Steel, but a "Half away house" would be to lighten the original Steel framed and skinned Doors which is the direction

I'm looking at.

Looking at your Avatar and the Cabriolet, made me think ? did Porsche make different or any differences to the Cab doors

out of interest ?

I've never really seen a Cab close up or driven one, but in light of roll over protection looking at this image I

guess it's fairly limited. I guess in the 80's society was not as concerned?, they did start to fit Roll hoops on the

Boxster in 1996? and ever since..

986

Here's an Interesting 4 Point rear Cage for coupe's..

https://www.dassport.com/store/pages.php?pageid=12

R

 

[944Turbo]

Looking at your Avatar and the Cabriolet, made me think ? did Porsche make different or any differences to the Cab doors

out of interest ?

I've never really seen a Cab close up or driven one, but in light of roll over protection looking at this image I

guess it's fairly limited. I guess in the 80's society was not as concerned?, they did start to fit Roll hoops on the

Boxster in 1996? and ever since..

The doors have quarter lights and different shape windows and the windscreen is raked back more, the scraper seals are different but otherwise I think the doors are similar. There is some beefing up of the windscreen frame, not sure about the A posts. The sills are very different internally and the factory cabs have a double floor so the CofG is lower than a coupe - not sure about the earlier aftermarket cabs, Tref?

Not withstanding the lower c of g I know that in the 100th edition of evo there was a story about someone rolling a cab on a test drive, the salesman was well enough to tell the driver he was the new owner once they got out.

Somewhere I do have a picture of the cab Tiff Needle used to race, but cant find it at the moment,

Tony

 

[geoff Ives]

There are 'Guide dogs for the Blind' and Hearing dogs for the Deaf' I think that we now need 'Thinking dogs for the Daft'.

 

[924Srr27l]

There are 'Guide dogs for the Blind' and Hearing dogs for the Deaf' I think that we now need 'Thinking dogs for the Daft'.

R

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[RS2000CUSTOM]

John, I've told you several times this is a ROAD car, Fully road legal with an MOT etc...

Who MOT'd it ?

https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/when-is-a-modified-vehicle-a-rally-car/

I think you need to read the last paragraph on the above document

 

[924Srr27l]

John, I've told you several times this is a ROAD car, Fully road legal with an MOT etc...

Who MOT'd it ?

https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/when-is-a-modified-vehicle-a-rally-car/

I think you need to read the last paragraph on the above document

Thanks for that, but it's all good.

"Put simply, the vehicle must be a competition rally car that needs an MOT to be used on the road between stages."

924srr27l is not a Competiton Rally Car.

"Track day cars or vehicles with ‘boy racer’ modifications are not competition rally cars and do not therefore qualify as a ‘modified vehicle’."

It's not a Track day car either but more a Boy Road Racer

"So if a vehicle like this is not fitted with original equipment items such as a brake servo, airbags or any other SRS (Supplemental Restraint System) equipment, it must fail the MOT test."

Servo installed, OE has No ABS or airbags etc..

"Unfortunately, identifying a genuine rally car is not always straightforward due to the variety of classifications. The most obvious evidence will be the mandatory fitment of a steel safety roll-over cage."

No Steel cage fitted.

"The vehicle is also likely to have modified seats with full harness seat belts; a fire extinguisher in the passenger compartment; competition number boxes on the body"

Not original seats yes, but E marked 3 point "clunk clip" Road seatbelt harness not competiton type,

no "plumbed in" Extinguisher or Door Number Squares / decals (too heavy lol!)

"When there is doubt about whether a vehicle is a competition rally car, the presenter is responsible for providing proof to convince the tester that it is a genuine competition vehicle. This could be in the form of a competition certificate from the rally’s governing body."

No there's NO Doubt it's not a Competition car......it's a ROAD car ! []

R

 

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Ok. so have ALL your own personal modifications have been carried out within the guidelines of both The Road Traffic Act and The Construction and Use regulations ?

 

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Ok. so have ALL your own personal modifications have been carried out within the guidelines of both The Road Traffic Act and The Construction and Use regulations ?

The reason I as is because it clearly has not been modified to the strict guidelines of a set of homologation papers !

you obviously feel your self titled "road race" car is exempt from UK law regarding vehicle preparation

Vehicle modifying is not like a visit to Woolworths Pik'n'Mix - the sum total of your modification has resulted in your vehicle being a potential death trap and as a DVSA vehicle MOT examiner I would expect better from any classic vehicle owner and your modifications are worthy of being sent to DVSA to show how wrong some people can be when they "think" they are doing a great job !

 

[924Srr27l]

Ok. so have ALL your own personal modifications have been carried out within the guidelines of both The Road Traffic Act and The Construction and Use regulations ?

My Personal mods yes I spent ages double checking the regs, god they are like War and Peace! I'm still unsure about

removing the rear speakers though as I couldn't see any clarification on article 23.5 that this could be a safety risk!

However the Non personal mods, work and components fitted was from 5 UK companies and parts from 4 different continents so this could be as your suggesting? quite a worry if it's not been modified to the strict guidelines or a set of homologation papers !

I'm gonna have a chat with Halfords I think and ask them where my papers are and if their parts are legal for road use etc..

I did find some Woolworths Pik'n'Mix when I removed the rear seats!

A potential death trap ? OMG I just didn't realise this ! Please advise which parts? are likely to come under this banner you preach?

I must set to work straight away......

I and many others have not done a great job then....

or am i a good classic vehicle owner! / modifier / person in general by the sounds of it!

R

 

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Not for me to decide in a court of law what constitutes a death trap in regards to your particular vehicle as thankfully I have not inspected your vehicle

The MOT on your vehicle is only legally valid "at time of test" and any subsequent alterations carried out after that time are not the NT Nominated Testers concern - what will be a concern is the state of your car when next presented for its annual MOT inspection

As you are clearly extremely proud of your creation (as was Mary Shelly) please continue to share the pictures featuring your handiwork and I am sure their content will feature soon in the Matters of Testing publication

 

[924Srr27l]

Not for me to decide in a court of law what constitutes a death trap in regards to your particular vehicle as thankfully I have not inspected your vehicle

The MOT on your vehicle is only legally valid "at time of test" and any subsequent alterations carried out after that time are not the NT Nominated Testers concern - what will be a concern is the state of your car when next presented for its annual MOT inspection

As you are clearly extremely proud of your creation (as was Mary Shelly) please continue to share the pictures featuring your handiwork and I am sure their content will feature soon in the Matters of Testing publication

Thanks Dave for your Kind words,

I'll updated the thread with the Door progress asap, apart from 6 oil changes and replacement shock absorbers the car hasn't

been changed at all since the 2016 MOT.

R