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924srr27L Lightweight Doors / Suspension / Bump steer etc..

924Srr27l said:
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I do hope that you will have refitted the Mechanical Park Brake system as required by UK MOT rules before taking it for test as "Hydraulic parking brakes as a sole means of operation are not acceptable on vehicles first used on or after 1 January 1968."

Wouldnt want you to fail the MOT test for the sake of the weight of some parking shoes and the cables etc

 
RS2000CUSTOM said:

I do hope that you will have refitted the Mechanical Park Brake system as required by UK MOT rules before taking it for test as "Hydraulic parking brakes as a sole means of operation are not acceptable on vehicles first used on or after 1 January 1968."

Wouldnt want you to fail the MOT test for the sake of the weight of some parking shoes and the cables etc

Yes Sir ! OE Right hand Cable operated handbrake installed!

Anything else ?

R

 
If it is a road car I would point out that we have a 70mph speed limit, like it or not so what is the point?

I hope you have notified your insurance company about EVERY modification you have carried out otherwise YOU ARE NOT INSURED. Many insurers read these pages as well as other forums.

 
geoff Ives said:
If it is a road car I would point out that we have a 70mph speed limit, like it or not so what is the point?

I hope you have notified your insurance company about EVERY modification you have carried out otherwise YOU ARE NOT INSURED. Many insurers read these pages as well as other forums.

Yeah good point Geoff, Not matter what car you drive today Supercars, Citycars, etc..

We all know the Max is 70mph on the M25

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Sure , Classic Line Insurance have a list with every nut, bolt and washer, and have seen all the modifications

on the car's dedicated website. From this extensive information they have an agreed value @ £35,000

so I'm covered reasonable well for now.

R

 
Morning Rodger

While I appreciate you aren't considering using your car in any competition environment in the short term I was wondering if the following rear hoop from Safety Devices may be worthy of some consideration.

RBP000 5XSU - Rear cage, single fixed diagonal. May be used alone

I understand Safety Devices bought out Matter who produced the cages for the Turbo Cup cars but, either way, their credentials and provenance are impeccable.

The addition or a harness rail would allow the fitment of an FIA approved four or five point harness so this might placate any future possible issues over the MOT in respect of safety belts.

Hoops certainly aren't particularly heavy and, as has been discussed previously, can add to the rigidity of the car.

While not listed for the 924, off the shelf, they might be receptive to producing an aluminium based hoop if they consider it suitable for purpose.

Just a thought.

 
John Sims said:
Morning Rodger

While I appreciate you aren't considering using your car in any competition environment in the short term I was wondering if the following rear hoop from Safety Devices may be worthy of some consideration.

RBP000 5XSU - Rear cage, single fixed diagonal. May be used alone

I understand Safety Devices bought out Matter who produced the cages for the Turbo Cup cars but, either way, their credentials and provenance are impeccable.

The addition or a harness rail would allow the fitment of an FIA approved four or five point harness so this might placate any future possible issues over the MOT in respect of safety belts.

Hoops certainly aren't particularly heavy and, as has been discussed previously, can add to the rigidity of the car.

While not listed for the 924, off the shelf, they might be receptive to producing an aluminium based hoop if they consider it suitable for purpose.

Just a thought.

Sure, there are a few options for those that want to use competition harnesses, but I've gone for an E Marked Road Approved Sparco harness (3 Point) as I'm not sure (Without checking) if the aircraft release buckle 3" Webbing Competition harnesses would pass an MOT or not? besides I didn't want or need the chunky latch and wider webbing from a Competition harness but a 2" webbing Road version for better comfort.

The rear point fixing is within the angle guide and is bolted through the steel chassis with Captive Nut plates on the underside.

I didn't want to fix the harness to, or around the aluminium tubing.

The only snag for the MOT was getting the front GTS Style lights Beam pattern's correct.

R

 
I understand what you are saying about the smaller harness. I actually prefer the FIA harness (when I use it) because it is easy to tighten the shoulder straps and lock you into the seat. I have retained the original belts as well though (for using on the road) as the harness was just an inconvenience for anything but on the track.

 
You don't need lights for an MOT, as Dave will confirm.

With regards to a rear cage, I would suggest contacting Rollcentre Racing. They will make a rear without front hangers and with a harness bar. It doesn't weight a deal and it doesn't cost a lot.

Having gone to such lengths I would strip the car hand have the body dipped. You are fighting for grammes as JS pointed out, when there are tens of kilos still available for relatively easy picking.

You have also unwisely dismissed the wiring loom. I know exactly early and late looms weigh and both have lots of weight to save. Listen to Neil Haughey if he will comment - he was sceptical when I suggested this for his racer a decade ago.

 
Id also remove the cross member, fit a series two type and plastic tank. Solid transaxle mount too. If its too noisy then go faster - they quieten right down at 95mph-100mph...

 
944 man said:
You don't need lights for an MOT, as Dave will confirm.

errr.. where did this come from? no lights needed for MOT?.....not sure what MOT you are referring too but it's not the one for our roads?? perhaps I have missed something....lol

Pete

 
You have missed quite a deal Pedro. [;)] They are testable if fitted (dipped, not main), but if completely removed along with the switch then there is no reason for failure. You will simply receive an advisory note to the effect that they weren't fitted so have not been tested, which is exactly what happens with a bike, but people call it a daylight MOT. You will notice that I havent said that they do not need to be fitted to a road car, because C&U law and MOT test requirements differ.

 
944 man said:
You don't need lights for an MOT, as Dave will confirm.

With regards to a rear cage, I would suggest contacting Rollcentre Racing. They will make a rear without front hangers and with a harness bar. It doesn't weight a deal and it doesn't cost a lot.

Having gone to such lengths I would strip the car hand have the body dipped. You are fighting for grammes as JS pointed out, when there are tens of kilos still available for relatively easy picking.

You have also unwisely dismissed the wiring loom. I know exactly early and late looms weigh and both have lots of weight to save. Listen to Neil Haughey if he will comment - he was sceptical when I suggested this for his racer a decade ago.

Id also remove the cross member, fit a series two type and plastic tank. Solid transaxle mount too. If its too noisy then go faster - they quieten right down at 95mph-100mph...

If it was to be raced, sure the whole lot would be removed the shell stripped and a multi point weld in cage installed, but it's staying as a roadie for now.

There could be many Kilo's removed for race use (And added with the cage) but there still are a few more kilo's that can be shed for road use without going to any extremities of taking the car off the road for several months stripping wiring looms and underseal etc.., which I'm not prepared to consider as it was not used previously for 3+ years whilst the whole project was undertaken and I'm want to continue using it a lot!

The Kilo's lost with the door mods will take the car's mass into a figure beginning with Nine, and then after this I'm done except I could lose

a few more Kilo's (without taking it off road) by replacing bolts with Ti.

The car's 1987, so I don't know if the aluminium X member is a mark 1 or 2 ? if your saying there's a difference and the later is lighter? but I'm on a Manual rack, no Power steering and the Gearbox uses the early twin mounts (new OE harder compound from the choice of 2) which are good and I wouldn't want solid anyway. The whole car has mostly OE Rubber bushings (Top mounts, ARB's, wishbones, trailing arms. steering Rack etc..) Except the Elephant Racing Poly Bronze Torsion Tube Spring plates.







I don't remember exactly the plastic tank weight but I seem to remember it was either heavier or similar so

the pressed steel one was retained but with Internal baffles installed...

The 924S has a 66 litre capacity and I think the plastic one's 80L ? mine uses an external mounted pump, the later has an in

tank one I think? and the car 's consumption is brilliant (35+mpg !) so I don't need bigger.



R

 
Cater_Racer said:
I'm with you John I use 3" FIA harnesses.

I find the wider webbing a bit uncomfortable, with my left shoulder which is 1" shorter from a crash

where my Clavicle was smashed up. I guess if I raced with a 3" webbing harness I'd have to lump it !

Some viewers may find the footage distressing ! lol

Yellow Kart / Engine seized, no door bars!! , flipped up like a rag doll!

[link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_I_x0ekQmc[/url]

R

 
If I get a chance I'll run some weights for you to see what might still be available. I'm away currently so don't have access to a Blue Book. If someone can remind me of the tube specification I'll also run a mock up to demonstrate how heavy they aren't.

It is actually quite nice to have projects where you haven't reached the absolute end as, that way, there is always something more to do or to look forward to.

I would also seriously consider taking the car on some track days. It is so much more fun than driving on the road in this overcrowded, over restricted day and age. Having had a very light car it is rather nice to be able to "cock a snoot" at some of the more exotic machinery. Tight circuits are best though (Brands Indy, Mallory Park etc.) as othwise you get mullered on the straight by brute power.

 
I have 3" harnesses and have passed several MOTs with them - I am in the process of fitting a driver's side seatbelt though as well as they are limiting for road use.

My car had the headlights and mechanism removed by the PO (refitted prior to purchase) - with an MOT advisory stating "No headlights fitted at time of test - daytime use only" - although he drove it to the Ring like that just using the main beams :)

 
924Srr27l said:
Cater_Racer said:
I'm with you John I use 3" FIA harnesses.

I find the wider webbing a bit uncomfortable, with my left shoulder which is 1" shorter from a crash

where my Clavicle was smashed up. I guess if I raced with a 3" webbing harness I'd have to lump it !

Set up properly you might find a 3" to be more comfortable. They are wider to spread any force and are more self supporting than a 2".

I must admit I wouldn't be entirely happy with the clipped rear attachment as all the force goes through one clip. I appreciate that it is the same clip as at the waist connection but that doesn't seem to absorb the energy in the same way due to it being spread across the belts, the friction on the belt etc. It is just me though and I have no doubt they can't sell something which isn't fit for purpose.

 

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