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944T Engine Rebuild

Interesting JarmoL. Why were the stock pistons modified? What's the rest of the setup and do you have a dyno chart?
 
Ahh I guess the pistons were modified as the resulting CR with stock pistons is 9:1 which might be a bit on the high side.

Latest idea: Keep the engine 2.5 litres but install a rotrex supercharger where the alternator is and fit water injection.
 
I have also looked at Lindsey for at set of pistons. They can be delivered coated if you want..... :)
So far they have been cheapest of what I have found.
I know a company called Wahl in Germany have modified standard pistons for other 2,8 builds in Germany but personally I prefer to be 105% safe and buy new pistons wit a CR of 8,5:1. I'm primarily in it for the better boost and torque build up :)

Cheers

Niels
 
I see that if you use stock pistons, S2 crank and short rods you get 9:1Cr which is prob a bit too high like you say! My current favourite idea is to stick with the 2.5 block and use a rotrex supercharger. This is about ÂŁ1500 but its very efficient compared to old designs. Much less friction in the gearing, only about 2% of total kinetic energy used to drive the supercharger. 2 of these are used on the Konigsegg CCX(R). Theres no need for the stroker with this as you have boost across the rev range and you get 0 lag.
 
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Did you use S2 crank, stock rods and aftermarket pistons DivinE?

Sorry just got back to this. S2 crank and Carrillo rods (standard dimensions). The engine ran over 400hp in a 968 race car that was reversed into a wall at 120mph. As far as I know the engine survived and went on in another car.

The kit was bought from Promax before it became Promax motorsport and I think was the Andial kit from the states. The original white 2.8 Promax car still lives too so the 2.8 kit has proved to be quite a reliable way to go.
 
The Andial kit included different pistons otherwise they would stick out of the block with standard length Carrillo rods.
 
If I remember correctly, my engine is supposed to have 8.5:1 CR. Piston bowls have been enlargened somewhat but the tops are not any thinner than stock. I think the strenght hasn't been compromised much. The obvious benefit of course is that if you have cylinder bores and pistons in good shape, you don't have to get the block machined. (which seems to be hit and miss with the tolerances and all that) It'll save some money and work too.
If I was to do this now I'd probably go for 3 liter or bigger though. If you are buying pistons and rods and having the block machined anyway the difference in total cost isn't that much.

I have dynoed the car once when I bought it four? years ago. It made 320 bhp at 1 bar. Torque was 450 Nm or so. It had a Lindsey sport turbo -what ever that is and a Vitesse MAF. I have been having persistent hesitation problems ever since and the tune is not optimal. I am now changing the turbo and exhaust and possibly engine management as well. I am hoping to get some more power with same boost.
But anyway I think the extra displacement itself doesn't give you much power over the stock. It does have an effect on driveability though. Bigger engine definately feels stronger off boost.
 
ORIGINAL: TTM

The Andial kit included different pistons otherwise they would stick out of the block with standard length Carrillo rods.

Yes the trouble was no one realised the pistons were different when we moved to .5 oversize (because the block was re-bored) so when it was put together the pistons really did stick out of the bores![8|][&o]
 
All Andial pistons are oversize at least .5

Here's label of 3.0L Andial Pistons. I bought this setup several years ago.
Sorry about phone quality pictures

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Here's Jarmol's 2.8L storker last summer in Ahvenisto track/Finland

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Olli

All Andial pistons were not 104.5, I have a set of 104mm pistons in my 968 turbo. I know this for sure as I used a brand new bare block in the build and checked all the sizes to make sure the piston to bore clearance was in the right tolerance range.
 
Last time i discussed with Andial people they told me all their pistons (100 & 104mm versions) are .5 oversize because the deal they have with Mahle. If i understood correctly Porsche do not allow Mahle fabricate standard size pistons for third party companies like Andial.
 
Olli

Mine were bought about 5 years ago now, but they came in the exact same Mahle box with the same markings on the piston, a friend in the US sourced them for me. At the time they were one of the last sets left in 104mm. These low compression pistons were never available as a standard piston from Porsche in this bore size and were a special commision. Andial had sets made in 104mm and in 104.5mm, they all sold out as far as I am aware although there have been limited batches of the 104.5 that have come out since. I think I have a pic somewhere that I could dig out if you need photographic evidence I can email it to you, the number on the side is 103.98.
 
Just checked through an old post I made on rennlist about the clearances of my bore and pistons and Scott Gomes from Under Pressure performance posted that he had the last set of 104mm i.e. standard size pistons, for sale and that was back in 2004, which was also when I bought mine so in fact 7 years ago not 5! Time flies when your modding cars :)
 
Not sure I understand why they made 104mm pistons.
Since one has to have major bore work on the block done to accept new pistons, why bother with a 104mm bore on a used block?
Purchasing a bare new block doesn't make much financial sense.
 

ORIGINAL: TTM

why bother with a 104mm bore on a used block?
Purchasing a bare new block doesn't make much financial sense.

But that's exactly what Nick did because he wanted to make a genuine 968 TRS replica from a new bare block. Mahle would have had to produce a few sets of low compression 104mm pistons to cover the handful of genuine 968 TRS that are out there.
 
Thom

The point is that if you are turbo charging your own S2 or 968 engine, you do not have to do anything to the bores, if they are within tolerance and not scored you can just fit these pistons, some carillo rods and a 2.7 head and you are good to go. No need to touch the bores.
 
Well, I don't understand why using 104mm pistons and purchasing a new 104mm block would be any "better" than using a second hand 104mm block in good shape, rebored to 104.5mm and using 104.5mm pistons. Comparing apples with oranges?
 

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