Menu toggle

964 3.6 Turbo - Mint green

Andrew M Bonner

New member
Minty has a new home.

For those of you who know their Turbo heritage you'll recognise this car! the ex Porsche GB launch vehicle from the Earls Court Motor Show in '93 has a new owner down in R26. Purchased from 'Paragon' (Mark Sumpter) on the 25 Sept this car will be shown at major events in 2009 having been in the possession of 6 previous owners over the last 15 yrs. See you then !


http://www.paragonporsche.com/about/news.asp
 
Thanks for comment Des; awesome videos!

Could watch this kind of thing all day, especially when the camera is mounted along side someone who really knows how to pilot a Porsche!

Regards
Andy [:D]
 
I'm planning a Euro trip next year to Spa and Hockenheim. The car was at SpaFranco' with Mark Sumpter (GT3RSR Racer) earlier this year. Would be great to see how the locals do it !! and take some video pictures like yours of my 'Minty'.

Regards
 
That's a great looking car - I saw it advertised at Paragon. As a matter of interest I'm sure it stated a black interior when it was for sale, yet the car in the Tiff video has a grey interior. Am I going mad or has it had a colour change?
 
No not mad at all, a very astute observation! The car is highly prized by Mark Sumpter and has undergone a total interior re-fit at considerable expense prior to my purchase.

It is now totally black nappa, with all areas new, (but standard as if it had been that way from the factory). I have kept pieces of the original interior (for the record) and trust me it wasn't pretty; dark grey with light grey horizontal banding to seats and mint green piping around everything! ......hmmm lovely. Mark decided that the interior, which had seen better days was competing with the exterior of the car. Now however it compliments the exterior as it should have been from new. In the early part of the Top Gear vid' not included on utube, Tiff expresses his bemusement at the colour combination, so it must have been a real shocker back then?

I will be posting more pictures of the car shortly...and in due course, (mid 2009) look out for a dedicated web site for the car, with a complete history and monthly posts about its trips to euro circuits and GB events with me.

AMB [:D]



0376381933E945E8A40065A9FB306414.jpg
 
Andrew,

Thank goodness for that! He certainly made the right choice as it looks absolutely lovely now - black definitely ages better than the lighter colours. I am slightly biased as mine is of a similar hue -albeit not looking quite as sharp as yours, although not too bad after 90k miles and nearly 17 years of use:
DSCF0048.JPG


Cheers,

Tim.
 
Tim She's a bute. Any shots of the outside; it's a 3.3 isn't it ?

I have heard by some that the fewer cogs in the box of the 3.3 makes for some great gearing, particularly on circuits?
 
Many congratulations.

I bought Paragon's Maritime Blue 3.6 Turbo a couple of months ago, and spent a fair bit of time looking at your lovely Mint Green car.

Since I've bought mine, I have had the suspension refreshed (new KWs), and Porsche Reading have done a fabulous job restoring a number of parts of the car (wheels, underside, wheel arches, headlights, rear lamps, all new discs and pads all round, callipers refurbished and repainted etc.) so she is now both running beautifully and looking good. Final touch will be a full detail from Miracle Detail (who I use a lot) to remove some of the swirls from paintwork and protect the paintwork. The interior (which is a light colour) is in great condition, but would also benefit from a really good detail.

Like you, I am looking forward to many miles of enjoyable motoring. Congrats once again.

Kind regards

Steve
 
Steve, I'm really glad you contacted me, in as funny kind of way it's like the cars are related.

I was really mad that your car went before I had chance to see it; not because I would have been in competition, but I am such a nut for the 964 it would great to have had a look at her. I hope we get the chance to meet up at one of the PCGB events next year?

Interesting to hear what you have done to 'Maritime Blue' since getting it. Any useful tips you may feel appropriate, feel free to chat away. I am likely to leave 'minty' as original as possible, but a visit to Miracle Detail would be a real consideration over the winter months; their details would be gratefully received.

We're both lucky guys....or that's my opinion ! Take care mate, keep it on the black stuff.



AC97D56A5F5C4A39B17875A552946483.jpg
 
ORIGINAL: Andrew M Bonner

Tim She's a bute. Any shots of the outside; it's a 3.3 isn't it ?

Thanks Andy, it is indeed a 3.3, LHD in Zermatt Silver. Earlier this year I spent a fortune on a a top-end rebuild, new clutch, flywheel, B&B headers, Tial wastegate and uprated K27 HFS turbocharger. The headers and turbo make a huge difference to its power delivery and torque (the main weakness vs. the 3.6) - it'll now happily pootle along at 30mph in 5th! Power wise I would reckon it's up from a standard 320bhp to around 370bhp. Next up are some replica 3.6 Speedlines.

Here's a shot of the outside:

DSC00035-1.JPG


ORIGINAL: Andrew M Bonner

I have heard by some that the fewer cogs in the box of the 3.3 makes for some great gearing, particularly on circuits?

Re. the gearbox, I think you're getting confused with the pre '89 930s that had the 4 speed box. All 964s have a 5 speed box - the version in the 3.3 & 3.6 turbos I believe is the same box: the G50/52.

If you don't know it already, I'd heartily recommend the 964 turbo forum on Rennlist - there's a wealth of information on our cars on there.

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/forumdisplay.php?f=79

I've also found the Porsche parts PET very useful. You can download it direct from the Porsche site:

https://techinfo.porsche.com/techinfo/index.jsp

Enjoy your new car - it looks fantastic (as does the Maritime car too!)

Cheers,

Tim.
 
Thanks for the techinfo and rennlist tips; another place for me to while away those soon to be cold/dark winter evenings.

Zermatt silver is definitely a colour that shows of the 964 t's curves / bulges well. All my day cars for the last 24 yrs have been metallic colours, but as 'minty' is only a weekend car I figure it was time to experiment a little. Must confess to liking the clear lenses over the orange but I have promised myself that will be staying as she was 15 yrs ago; with the exception of the interior.

Speedlines have got to be done haven't they; much more eye catching than the more conservative style of the cup 2's?

You're right I have got the 930 and 964 (3.3) confused on gearing. When I was searching for what turned out to be 'minty' I traveled and saw a 'few'. The 930 I never actually tested but did see a remarkably clean one at 'Hairpin' - Wiltshire, almost too good to use; it was concourse!

So with the mods on yours I guess she's 'quick', very quick. Are you pleased with what you've done?

Here's hoping that both our cars, and Steve's 'Maritime' meet in 2009, regards

 
I love reading the threads you guys put on here [:D] ever since seeing Minty at the NEC all those years ago and then the black 3.6 in the film Bad Boys these are the road Porsches I have always held as the greatest in my eyes, whether 3.3 or 3.6 (but especially with the split rims [;)]) they just look the mutts nuts. My 911SC and 944S2 make me smile from ear to ear but are nothing compared to these turbos, I'm just counting down the years until funds and the misses allow [:)].

You guys are so lucky

Enjoy..........
 
Andrew

It would indeed be great to get the cars together at some point.

In terms of Miracle Detail, you can contact Paul Dalton via his website at www.miracledetail.co.uk. I've known Paul about 3 years now, and he's detailed a number of my cars. At first, I thought the whole process was a bit expensive, but the I've found the results well worth it. The key is that he corrects any defects (swirls, scratches etc.) in the paintwork. On my 1989 Club Sport, it took him a whole day, but the paint looks incredible now. He then protects the paint with special waxes and it makes cleaning the car dead easy - dirt and flies just drop off. I drive my cars as they are meant to be driven, so they do sometimes get very dirty, but then half a day with Paul and they are back to showroom condition.

Having bought my car from Paragon, I found a few things that weren't quite to my liking, most especially the lowered H&R springs. The original dampers were clearly past their best, and the whole car was way too stiff for fast road use. So I went to JZ Machtech (Steve McHale), who has previously worked on my GT3, and has strong links with Manthey Racing in Germany (with whom I have done a tiny bit of racing). He recommended the KW Variant 3 coilover kit, which I've now had fitted. It has transformed the car and it handles very well, without being overly stiff. When at JZ, Steve found two issues that Paragon probably should have picked up - namely a cracked front wishbone mount, and second a large oil leak in the oil tank sender (which is in the offside wheel arch). Both of these were fixed.

I then decided to give the car to Porsche Reading, with whom I have a strong relationship thanks to the fact that I own a CGT. They have some great technicians there who worked on these older cars way back when. A chap called Vinny worked on my car, I asked him to check the car from head to toe, for mechanical and cosmetic deficiences. They did not find much - as I had hoped - but what we have done is as follows:

- refurbished all four Speedline wheels
- refurbished and repainted brake callipers
- replaced numerous damaged undertrays and wheel arch linings (from 15 years of use)
- fitted new headlamps and rear light covers
- replaced old rubber strips (e.g. between the doors and lower sills - these had shortened with age)
- fitted a new Carrera Club Sport style steering wheel (the previous owner had fitted an overly thick rimmed three spoke wheel - nice, but too thick for my taste)
- replaced the 3.6 emblem (the dreaded "dot" was missing)
- replaced the windscreen with a Porsche OEM item (the previous windscreen was cracked and the radio connection was broken)
- fitted new brake discs and pads all round (previous items were corroded on the inside; again probably something Paragon should have corrected, but never mind)
- replaced numerous non standard screws and fittings (on the underside of the car particularly) with OEM parts

It was great going to pick the car up last Tuesday; Vinny, the technician, spent an hour with me going through everything that had been done, with the car up on the ramps. We went for a road test together (as they had corner weighted the geometry). It was really enjoyable to learn about the car from a real expert.

All in all, including the suspension, I've spent about £11k on the car since buying it from Paragon, and I am delighted with the results. Its condition is now really close to A1, which is how I like to keep my cars.

There are still some items I need to attend to, including a leak from the air conditioning condensor. This is a big job (dash out) to replace, but fortunately Paragon's comprehensive warranty should cover this.

Once I have had the car detailed by Paul (in about a week's time), I will post up some pictures.

Kind regards

Steve
 
ORIGINAL: Andrew M Bonner

Thanks for the techinfo and rennlist tips; another place for me to while away those soon to be cold/dark winter evenings.

Zermatt silver is definitely a colour that shows of the 964 t's curves / bulges well. All my day cars for the last 24 yrs have been metallic colours, but as 'minty' is only a weekend car I figure it was time to experiment a little. Must confess to liking the clear lenses over the orange but I have promised myself that will be staying as she was 25 yrs ago; with the exception of the interior.

Speedlines have got to be done haven't they; much more eye catching than the more conservative style of the cup 2's?

You're right I have got the 930 and 964 (3.3) confused on gearing. When I was searching for what turned out to be 'minty' I traveled and saw a 'few'. The 930 I never actually tested but did see a remarkably clean one at 'Hairpin' - Wiltshire, almost too good to use; it was concourse!

So with the mods on yours I guess she's 'quick', very quick. Are you pleased with what you've done?

Here's hoping that both our cars, and Steve's 'Maritime' meet in 2009, regards

I think that 964 turbos look gorgeous in all colours. Mine is one of a handful in Zermatt - I'd guess your car may be unique. The clear lenses are very cheap (I paid around £60) and easy to fit (10 minutes) and so easy to swap back, so I'd go with what you prefer.

I love the Speedlines - it's amazing how just by changing the wheels, Porsche made the whole car looks so much sexier!

I have to say I am very pleased with my car, it is very quick - but then it should given how much it cost!

Speaking of meeting up, occasionally a few 964 turbo owners meet up at Cornbury House (Porsche Club GB's HQ in Moreton on Marsh) when it is open on the first Sunday of the month. We usually have a coffee and a chat at Cornbury, look around the club shop (good opportunity for some early Xmas presents) and then head out into the Cotswolds for a long-pub lunch. We are hoping to catch up on Sunday 2nd November if you (and perhaps Steve) are up for it? I'd certainly love to see your cars.

Cheers,

Tim.
 
Nick

It was a similar position for me not so very long ago. My first Porker was an '89 SC and I loved her. She meant more to me than anything at the time....then I got married and had to change my outward perspectives; or at least in front the missus!

Porsches are in your blood by the sounds of things, I look forward to the day; hopefully in the not too distant future that you are telling us about your 3.3 or 3.6. Keep focused on your aspirations mate, and like me they will one day be a reality.

All the best mate.
 
ORIGINAL: Zermatt Turbo

I think that 964 turbos look gorgeous in all colours. Mine is one of a handful in Zermatt - I'd guess your car may be unique. The clear lenses are very cheap (I paid around £60) and easy to fit (10 minutes) and so easy to swap back, so I'd go with what you prefer.

I love the Speedlines - it's amazing how just by changing the wheels, Porsche made the whole car looks so much sexier!

I have to say I am very pleased with my car, it is very quick - but then it should given how much it cost!

Speaking of meeting up, occasionally a few 964 turbo owners meet up at Cornbury House (Porsche Club GB's HQ in Moreton on Marsh) when it is open on the first Sunday of the month. We usually have a coffee and a chat at Cornbury, look around the club shop (good opportunity for some early Xmas presents) and then head out into the Cotswolds for a long-pub lunch. We are hoping to catch up on Sunday 2nd November if you (and perhaps Steve) are up for it? I'd certainly love to see your cars.

Cheers,

Tim.

I'd love to meet up, but I am afraid I cannot make the 2nd November - I will be on my way up North for a track day I am organising at Oulton Park on 4 November.

Hopefully next time.

Kind regards

Steve
 

Posts made and opinions expressed are those of the individual forum members

Use of the Forum is subject to the Terms and Conditions

Disclaimer

The opinions expressed on this site are not necessarily those of the Club, who shall have no liability in respect of them or the accuracy of the content. The Club assumes no responsibility for any effects arising from errors or omissions.

Porsche Club Great Britain gives no warranties, guarantees or assurances and makes no representations or recommendations regarding any goods or services advertised on this site. It is the responsibility of visitors to satisfy themselves that goods and/or services supplied by any advertiser are bona fide and in no instance can the Porsche Club Great Britain be held responsible.

When responding to advertisements please ensure that you satisfy yourself of any applicable call charges on numbers not prefixed by usual "landline" STD Codes. Information can be obtained from the operator or the white pages. Before giving out ANY information regarding cars, or any other items for sale, please satisfy yourself that any potential purchaser is bona fide.

Directors of the Board of Porsche Club GB, Club Office Staff, Register Secretaries and Regional Organisers are often requested by Club members to provide information on matters connected with their cars and other matters referred to in the Club Rules. Such information, advice and assistance provided by such persons is given in good faith and is based on the personal experience and knowledge of the individual concerned.

Neither Porsche Club GB, nor any of the aforementioned, shall be under any liability in respect of any such information, advice or assistance given to members. Members are advised to consult qualified specialists for information, advice and assistance on matters connected with their cars at all times.

Back
Top