Jeff - Mine is manual and although the parking brake took a bit of getting used to, it is because with a handbrake you normally pull it up for "on" and release down for "off". Even my Disco's electronic brake works the same way, but for some reason with the 981 you push forward to brake and pull towards you to release. You also operate it with your right hand rather than left. Will confess to the odd left hand fumble. (I'm talking brake not missus!)
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Thanks David, that's interesting to know.
The electronic handbrake control must have been designed by the same bloke who devised the-pull-back-to-change-down, push-forward-to-change-up stick mechanism on the Tiptronic (and PDK?) boxes and, in my opinion, some of the other counter-intuitive hand controls on Porsches. I wonder if he walks down the street backwards....?
Jeff
Hi Jeff
Like many of the options Porsche offer I rate PDSL as a nice to have that adds to the overall motoring experience; heated seats is another favourite! Though I have not done a back to back comparison with non PDSL, subjectively the illumination levels of the road ahead seem better, especially, as you note, on twisty roads. And when turning into dark entrances I think there is less chance of hitting the gate posts.
As an aside, the Boxster brochure describes PDSL thus " The dynamic cornering light function swivels the main headlights toward the inside of the bend based on steering angle and road speed". Whereas for the turbo, where Dynamic cornering lights came as standard, the brochure says "Sensors continuously monitor the speed, lateral acceleration and steering lock...". Whether one reads this as implying that if there is a sudden loss of lateral acceleration in the turbo the lights will switch to illuminating the hedge on the outside of the bend is not clear.. What would not be correct would be to infer the Boxster doesn't generate lateral acceleration. [
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Cruise as a hand throttle takes me back to the days of manual chokes where as a fuel saving measure I would fit a hand throttle that maintained a faster tick over and allowed the choke to be pushed in as soon as the engine fired. We were poor in those days, even with petrol at five bob a gallon.
Au contraire, I find the electro-mechanical handbrake a vile abomination that is insidiously creeping into the motoring mainstream. Who knows what actually happens when you release that nasty little switch. Give me a fly-off any day.
After that you may be surprised to learn I am warming to gliding. As I noted in a general piece on this forum earlier, it is quite subtle in its operation and doesn't impair engine braking when pressing on. The only time it needs watching is on motorways where you can find that gliding means you are coming up behind other traffic slightly faster than would otherwise be the case.
Aircon agreed. We have manual aircon on the Toyota Yaris. Says it all really.
Cheers
Nick
Like many of the options Porsche offer I rate PDSL as a nice to have that adds to the overall motoring experience; heated seats is another favourite! Though I have not done a back to back comparison with non PDSL, subjectively the illumination levels of the road ahead seem better, especially, as you note, on twisty roads. And when turning into dark entrances I think there is less chance of hitting the gate posts.
As an aside, the Boxster brochure describes PDSL thus " The dynamic cornering light function swivels the main headlights toward the inside of the bend based on steering angle and road speed". Whereas for the turbo, where Dynamic cornering lights came as standard, the brochure says "Sensors continuously monitor the speed, lateral acceleration and steering lock...". Whether one reads this as implying that if there is a sudden loss of lateral acceleration in the turbo the lights will switch to illuminating the hedge on the outside of the bend is not clear.. What would not be correct would be to infer the Boxster doesn't generate lateral acceleration. [
]Cruise as a hand throttle takes me back to the days of manual chokes where as a fuel saving measure I would fit a hand throttle that maintained a faster tick over and allowed the choke to be pushed in as soon as the engine fired. We were poor in those days, even with petrol at five bob a gallon.
Au contraire, I find the electro-mechanical handbrake a vile abomination that is insidiously creeping into the motoring mainstream. Who knows what actually happens when you release that nasty little switch. Give me a fly-off any day.
After that you may be surprised to learn I am warming to gliding. As I noted in a general piece on this forum earlier, it is quite subtle in its operation and doesn't impair engine braking when pressing on. The only time it needs watching is on motorways where you can find that gliding means you are coming up behind other traffic slightly faster than would otherwise be the case.
Aircon agreed. We have manual aircon on the Toyota Yaris. Says it all really.
Cheers
Nick
dereksharpuk
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ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk
One of the best Porsches I ever owned was my 1997 2.5 Boxster, purchased new.
However, my new Boxster is arriving complete with:
1. Just a 2.7, alcantara, 18" wheels and steel springs! Cos I'm poor.
2. Racing yellow. You will see me coming.
3. PDK with floppy paddles. I simple love it.
4. Heated seats. A must.
5. Park assist front & rear. They will pay for themselves.
6. Bluetooth. To save my licence.
7. Sports tail pipe. Cos I can.
8. Wind deflector. Why on earth is that not standard?
9. Cruise, cos I'm old.
10. Sound package +. Cos I have to.
11. PCM, cos at last it has full postcode [
All that for tuppence three farthings [
Looks complete[
Are any additional options that you were in 2 minds about?
Added sport tail pipes. The rest I'm fine with.
dereksharpuk
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ORIGINAL: dyllan
ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk
One of the best Porsches I ever owned was my 1997 2.5 Boxster, purchased new.
However, my new Boxster is arriving complete with:
1. Just a 2.7, alcantara, 18" wheels and steel springs! Cos I'm poor.
2. Racing yellow. You will see me coming.
3. PDK with floppy paddles. I simple love it.
4. Heated seats. A must.
5. Park assist front & rear. They will pay for themselves.
6. Bluetooth. To save my licence.
7. Sports tail pipe. Cos I can.
8. Wind deflector. Why on earth is that not standard?
9. Cruise, cos I'm old.
10. Sound package +. Cos I have to.
11. PCM, cos at last it has full postcode [
All that for tuppence three farthings [
and linda and i thought you would be opening your pockets for a 458 spyder[
What, and everyone think I'm Flash Harry [
]Actually, the 2.7 Boxster will do everything a 458 Spider can do and I can have 6 Boxsters for the price of the Ferrari. Who on Earth would buy one?
[Actually, the 2.7 Boxster will do everything a 458 Spider can do and I can have 6 Boxsters for the price of the Ferrari. Who on Earth would buy one?
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who on earth would buy one ?
well
the answer is -
someone who could afford one
why be so disparaging about other people's choice in cars ?
after all the boxster unfortunately will always be the poor man's porsche
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who on earth would buy one ?
well
the answer is -
someone who could afford one
why be so disparaging about other people's choice in cars ?
after all the boxster unfortunately will always be the poor man's porsche
who on earth would buy one ?
well
the answer is -
someone who could afford one
why be so disparaging about other people's choice in cars ?
after all the boxster unfortunately will always be the poor man's porsche
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Erm.....
Why be so disparaging about other people's choice in cars?
dereksharpuk
New member
who on earth would buy one ?
well
the answer is -
someone who could afford one
why be so disparaging about other people's choice in cars ?
after all the boxster unfortunately will always be the poor man's porsche
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Max (Is that your real name?)
In answer to my question 'Who would buy one? The correct answer is ME. I have owned lots and love them [
]However, with respect, you missed my point (& my humour). The Boxster is a fantastic roadster and arguably the finest ever made. That it costs one sixth of a 458 Spider is all to its credit.
However, I am slightly puzzled why you would, for the very first time, join the PCGB Forum yesterday, and in particular the Boxster forum merely to post a derogatory comment about the Boxster. Having joined yesterday, you agreed to our rules, and in particular:
3.1.1 Post insulting, threatening or defamatory material or material likely to cause undue
annoyance, provocation, upset or embarrassment to any reasonable person.
I suspect a few Boxster owners might just be a little upset by your comment that the Boxster is 'a poor man's Porsche'. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but perhaps not pleasant to publish those sort of opinions on the Boxster site.
Well made point Derek ! As well as having owned several Italian beauties (hence my attempt at humour) you , like me and many others here have also had our fair share of 911,a and CHOOSE to have the brilliant boxster!! Just because we can afford others doesn't diminish the reason for buying a boxster . Fab car and though Linda and could get a Lamborghini or 458 we will get enough fun from a new 981 !! Hope you enjoy yours Derek
All best Dylan and Linda xx
All best Dylan and Linda xx
I have owned the Italian beauty's , I am also married to one! But for me even after owning the GT3RS GEN 2 which i felt was amazing in everyday except over speed bumps is that the 981 Boxster S I have ticks every box I have ever wanted from a 2 seater sports car, I can't really understand why people who are stupid call it a poor mans Porsche , I have owned 7 911's and other that the unique rare RS its is a match for everyone I have owned and as far as looks go the 981 is for me the nicest looking Porsche of all time so far.
I have owned 5 x 911's including a Speedster for 14 years and am now on Boxster No.6 by choice [8D]
My Spyder does everything a fine mid engine sports car should irrespective of price and IF and when Porsche decide to offer a 981 version I will be in with an order in a flash
dereksharpuk
New member
What a great picture Robert!
And I totally agree that what you pay for a car is totally immaterial. It is how good the car is that counts. And we all agree (well all but one) that the 981 boxster is the finest roadster ever built. Yes, I could buy a 458 Spider; but why should I? []
This months Classic & Sports Car mag suggests that mega supercars are simple just too fast for the roads in the UK. One could almost say that of the Boxster, but it is not just about speed. The 981 ticks all the boxes for me. Otherwise I would not be buying one []
And I totally agree that what you pay for a car is totally immaterial. It is how good the car is that counts. And we all agree (well all but one) that the 981 boxster is the finest roadster ever built. Yes, I could buy a 458 Spider; but why should I? [
] This months Classic & Sports Car mag suggests that mega supercars are simple just too fast for the roads in the UK. One could almost say that of the Boxster, but it is not just about speed. The 981 ticks all the boxes for me. Otherwise I would not be buying one [
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ORIGINAL: daro911
IF and when Porsche decide to offer a 981 version I will be in with an order in a flash
Careful now young Robert.
May have to disagree with Derek too (but not to the level of obnoxious personal insults)...
987 Spyder may be last of a breed - no stop/start, no electric steering, no "coasting" function... As a sports car, it may well remain a little bit special?
Max (Is that your real name?)
In answer to my question 'Who would buy one? The correct answer is ME. I have owned lots and love them [
]However, with respect, you missed my point (& my humour). The Boxster is a fantastic roadster and arguably the finest ever made. That it costs one sixth of a 458 Spider is all to its credit.
However, I am slightly puzzled why you would, for the very first time, join the PCGB Forum yesterday, and in particular the Boxster forum merely to post a derogatory comment about the Boxster. Having joined yesterday, you agreed to our rules, and in particular:
3.1.1 Post insulting, threatening or defamatory material or material likely to cause undue
annoyance, provocation, upset or embarrassment to any reasonable person.
I suspect a few Boxster owners might just be a little upset by your comment that the Boxster is 'a poor man's Porsche'. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but perhaps not pleasant to publish those sort of opinions on the Boxster site.
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it wasnt my comment about the poor man's porsche, i did actually say "unfortunately", maybe I over-reacted
yea max is my real name but i dont believe in "dereksharpuk" , is that real ???
in fact I have owned a couple of boxsters and then a TT , and I know you will all laugh, but i actually preferred the TT
this wasnt meant to flame anyone, if you can afford a 458 then you will always buy one over the boxster and maybe throw in a couple of boxsters with it
sorry if I took offence to someone criticising my nice new 458 , it sings like a humming bird, and I am truly in love with it
so the answer to the question "who on earth would buy one?" , well its me
and I still have a Boxster and a TT in the garage , so please dont criticise me too harshly
Thanks Martin and on here you will find shots of a 981 - 987 Spyder in same pose [
]http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=719756&mpage=29򳐛
dereksharpuk
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Max, good of you to apologise, and I'm sure I speak for all Boxster aficionados that you are forgiven. It was a brave move to enter the Lion's Den and slag us off.
However, to reply to a few of your comments:
Yes, my real name is indeed Derek Sharp, and like many petrolheads, I have owned Ferraris. I have not, however, owned a 458, but, apart from other Ferrari's, I have had two 430 Spiders. Great cars. Moreover, I have driven the 458 Spider and extensively the 458 Italia. I loved them both. My point? Well you state ' if you can afford a 458 then you will always buy one over the boxster . I, and others disagree. Some of us can afford a 458, but decline to buy one, so your statement 'you will always' is incorrect.
Why do I, and others, not buy one? Well, it you read carefully what has been said on this forum, the 981 Boxster does it all! No need to spend £230K. Save your money for other things like an aeroplane or some liquorice allsorts.
But what about a 458? How did I find it? I have driven one many miles; not just one hour of testing. It is a wonderful machine, it blew my mind away. I can afford to buy one. So why did I not? Partly for the same reason I am not going to buy another 911 Cab. I would rather spend the spare money on something else, as the Boxster does it all.
But the main reason is that the 458 is just too big! Too big for my garage, too big for many of the UK roads. Moreover, it is far too precious; one cannot take it everywhere and leave it. It gets far too much attention. After a while that flattery wears off. Furthermore, it is a bit like a Sony Playstation... heaps of gizmos and is, IMHO, far less involving than it's predecessor, the 430. And there is the rub; do we buy cars for the fun we have in driving them, or do we buy them for speed or image?
Each to his own [
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Ferrari Guys
Porsche Guys
Petrolheads
This 11 minute test drive by a serious exotic car owner / driver really says it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk-6s-ZhlYs
Porsche Guys
Petrolheads
This 11 minute test drive by a serious exotic car owner / driver really says it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk-6s-ZhlYs
dereksharpuk
New member
Now I must confess to wandering off topic, but I could not resist this quote in the January 2013 edition of Classic & Sports Car which sums everything up well. It is a write up of an original 1973 Mini in the USA. Quote:
When we stopped at a coffee house we parked next to a Rosso Corsa Ferrari. When we stepped outside, the Ferrari was being ignored while several people posed for photos with the Mini.
Perhaps the meek will indeed inherit the earth after all'
When we stopped at a coffee house we parked next to a Rosso Corsa Ferrari. When we stepped outside, the Ferrari was being ignored while several people posed for photos with the Mini.
Perhaps the meek will indeed inherit the earth after all'
Spot on Robert - CH well respected motoring journalist and that video says it all. What other sports car would you need! Agree with Derek, 458 attracts too much attention and where can you leave it on a day out without wondering if it will be in the same condition when you return. A lot of green eye out there I'm afraid.
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