993 or 996
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huw dolphin
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968er yes it is blue - iris blue - a lovely colour i wish they still did (special order only now i think).
burrow yes i think it was - otherwise it snapped under some innocuous driving on my part without me hearing anything. it does take the shine off it a bit - i love the 993 shape but (and i'll probably regret it eventually) i can see myself selling it at some point soon. but then again i'll take it for a drive and vow to keep it - it's that sort of car.
burrow yes i think it was - otherwise it snapped under some innocuous driving on my part without me hearing anything. it does take the shine off it a bit - i love the 993 shape but (and i'll probably regret it eventually) i can see myself selling it at some point soon. but then again i'll take it for a drive and vow to keep it - it's that sort of car.
If the defective drive shaft was on the car when it was delivered to you, I would have thought you have some comeback on the dealer, as they sold you a 4WDrive car that was only 2WD, without warranties etc being involved - it does not say that much about them if they sold the car in this condition, either they could not tell the car was defective, or they sold it to you like that anyway....
Did you speak to them about this?
Regarding the DME relay, is there a specific reason why the recovery and diagnosis took two weeks? Mine went whilst I was in France a couple of years ago, and was diagnosed over the phone, and I was advised two different methods of bypassing it, which enabled me to carry on. It is not exactly an unusual problem with all Porsche models?
I know none of this helps repair the past, but at least we get the full picture
cheers
Pete
968er
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Huw,
May have been a coincidence but I remember a blue C4 sitting through in 9M's paintshop one time I was down there around September 2004. When I spoke to Mark he talked about it having a broken driveshaft and some badly repaired bodywork that had led to rusting. Was far from complimentary about the workmanship of the repair.
Would that have been yours?
May have been a coincidence but I remember a blue C4 sitting through in 9M's paintshop one time I was down there around September 2004. When I spoke to Mark he talked about it having a broken driveshaft and some badly repaired bodywork that had led to rusting. Was far from complimentary about the workmanship of the repair.
Would that have been yours?
huw dolphin
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968er yes that sounds like mine. the repair was the one to the sill after opc nottingham had damaged the sill causing a rust bubble. how nice of them! of the 3k bill i think about 1k at least was paid by me to repair their damage.
Burrow, i take the point but as you will have read the car was in pieces about 200m north of the dealer at that time. do i think it had the problem when i bought it? yes i do. would i buy another car from 911 virgin? no way unless i got an independent inspection. i put it down to my naivety in launching into a purchase in this way.
i have found a cure to my problems - which is to sell the car and buy something else, having been thoroughly put off the whole 993 experience.
Burrow, i take the point but as you will have read the car was in pieces about 200m north of the dealer at that time. do i think it had the problem when i bought it? yes i do. would i buy another car from 911 virgin? no way unless i got an independent inspection. i put it down to my naivety in launching into a purchase in this way.
i have found a cure to my problems - which is to sell the car and buy something else, having been thoroughly put off the whole 993 experience.
MegatronUK
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To be quite honest, I can't understand why anyone would buy from them in the first place - if someone refuses to give you the mileage or recent service details of a car when you explicitly ask for them, why on earth would you want to buy a car from them?
edelschmetterling
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Diesel,
From a purist approach anything that isn't air cooled is wrong. The 993v being the utopia of the image(s) & ideals of what a true 911 has become associated with. I still have random people walking up to me and commenting about their preference for the "older" 993 shape. I wouldn't refer to the 993 styling as retro, more actual 911 and there lies the difference. Porsche have attempted to return to the "True" drivers 911 philosophy with the introduction of the 997 amplified by their seeming attempted return of the 993 styling: But my latter observations are all cosmetic.
The 996 is an easier drive, too tame for my personal liking; I find the 993's more challenging and demands more from its driver. - A previous 993 driver once said to me on seeing my car, "it makes me want to be a boy again""¦ (sold his for a Cayenne owing to new kiddie arrivals).
When I was looking for my 911, I read a lot of comments from new owners talking about how they found themselves smiling from ear to ear months after their purchase every time they set eyes on their car. I can testify I suffer from a similar condition still. "" It has nothing to do with money, it is a personal choice and one that I would recommend you follow your heart with. If I could have any car in the world, I would have the one I have"¦ Sounds tacky I know, but it's true.
From a purist approach anything that isn't air cooled is wrong. The 993v being the utopia of the image(s) & ideals of what a true 911 has become associated with. I still have random people walking up to me and commenting about their preference for the "older" 993 shape. I wouldn't refer to the 993 styling as retro, more actual 911 and there lies the difference. Porsche have attempted to return to the "True" drivers 911 philosophy with the introduction of the 997 amplified by their seeming attempted return of the 993 styling: But my latter observations are all cosmetic.
The 996 is an easier drive, too tame for my personal liking; I find the 993's more challenging and demands more from its driver. - A previous 993 driver once said to me on seeing my car, "it makes me want to be a boy again""¦ (sold his for a Cayenne owing to new kiddie arrivals).
When I was looking for my 911, I read a lot of comments from new owners talking about how they found themselves smiling from ear to ear months after their purchase every time they set eyes on their car. I can testify I suffer from a similar condition still. "" It has nothing to do with money, it is a personal choice and one that I would recommend you follow your heart with. If I could have any car in the world, I would have the one I have"¦ Sounds tacky I know, but it's true.
Watty
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Hi everyone (first post),
I exchanged my 993 (Varioram) C4 for an early 996C4 last year and am still undecided which I prefer! I've had more problems with the 996 and it has almost certainly depreciated more, but it is definitely faster and I think handles slightly better.
With regard to running costs: Both had new RMS and clutches (993 @ 82K, 996 @60K), 996 has had new coolant radiator, most of a new air-con system, mass air flow sensor, pedal position sensor, PCM unit (under warranty thank goodness) and still has a roof rattle, despite about 6 attempts by an OPC to rectify. 993 had an air-con repair under warranty, a new engine wiring harness (recall) but little else (mind you it didn't have much technology to go wrong). 996 seems better on tyres and about the same on fuel.
With regard to living with them: My Porsche is a daily driver (did 55K in 3 1/2 years in the 993, done 30K in 18 months in the 996) and I got really fed up with the 'Mark II Cortina' dash, the useless air-con, and the offset pedals in the 993. My 996 seems to have most options from the price list (first owner spent £24k on options), including the essential (IMO) lowered chassis and sports exhaust, I think it looks fantastic (with a full factory-fit GT3 aerokit) and is much much easier to live with on a daily basis. However, the 996 experience is marred by the prospect of impending engine failure after everything I've read / been told: Daily inspection of the driveway for oil leaks (and palpitations at the sight of any dampness), constant checking oil level, listening for any difference in engine note / vibrations / etc.... If it wasn't for this (and the resulting effect on depreciation) it would be the 996 every time, but if I was choosing again... hmmmm...
As it happens, I suspect I'm stuck with the 996 anyway as it will cost me an arm and a leg to get out of the finance agreement - just keeping my fingers crossed the engine holds out! [
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I've just re-read all that and think if I was starting from scratch, if it was a daily driver I would try and get a good deal on a 996 (with the right toys - PCM, PSE, and M030as a minimum) and keep up the Porsche warranty. If it was a fun 'extra' car I would go for the 993 and do loads of track days!
Good luck!
I exchanged my 993 (Varioram) C4 for an early 996C4 last year and am still undecided which I prefer! I've had more problems with the 996 and it has almost certainly depreciated more, but it is definitely faster and I think handles slightly better.
With regard to running costs: Both had new RMS and clutches (993 @ 82K, 996 @60K), 996 has had new coolant radiator, most of a new air-con system, mass air flow sensor, pedal position sensor, PCM unit (under warranty thank goodness) and still has a roof rattle, despite about 6 attempts by an OPC to rectify. 993 had an air-con repair under warranty, a new engine wiring harness (recall) but little else (mind you it didn't have much technology to go wrong). 996 seems better on tyres and about the same on fuel.
With regard to living with them: My Porsche is a daily driver (did 55K in 3 1/2 years in the 993, done 30K in 18 months in the 996) and I got really fed up with the 'Mark II Cortina' dash, the useless air-con, and the offset pedals in the 993. My 996 seems to have most options from the price list (first owner spent £24k on options), including the essential (IMO) lowered chassis and sports exhaust, I think it looks fantastic (with a full factory-fit GT3 aerokit) and is much much easier to live with on a daily basis. However, the 996 experience is marred by the prospect of impending engine failure after everything I've read / been told: Daily inspection of the driveway for oil leaks (and palpitations at the sight of any dampness), constant checking oil level, listening for any difference in engine note / vibrations / etc.... If it wasn't for this (and the resulting effect on depreciation) it would be the 996 every time, but if I was choosing again... hmmmm...
As it happens, I suspect I'm stuck with the 996 anyway as it will cost me an arm and a leg to get out of the finance agreement - just keeping my fingers crossed the engine holds out! [
]I've just re-read all that and think if I was starting from scratch, if it was a daily driver I would try and get a good deal on a 996 (with the right toys - PCM, PSE, and M030as a minimum) and keep up the Porsche warranty. If it was a fun 'extra' car I would go for the 993 and do loads of track days!
Good luck!
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