I wonder why torque has been restricted to 'only' 700Nm. Normally with around 620 BHP you would be looking at about 820Nm torque... [link=http://www.cargraphic.co.uk/index.php?/s,6,7,18,3647,3810,3811/o,article,4302/]Cargraphic GT2 powerkit[/link] I know the stock manual clutch is good for at least 780Nm so there must be some other reason to dial back the torque....
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997.2 GT2 RS - WOW!
- Thread starter garyw
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Hmm maybe, all that torque through just 2 wheels would probably just light up the TC warning light even in the dry. Remember the Topgear tug-of-war team against that hugely powerful Mercedes?ORIGINAL: tscaptain 2WD?[]
Yes, I am sure Porsche's response would be about drive ability and consistent torque thought the rev range etc, etc Alternatively they drove it, scared themselves silly and thought - that's enough performance for your average fat merchant banker/ captain of industry. And on the way back to the office said very quietly, ...." this leaves us a margin to improve the next GT2 with no effort what so ever......"
stephen_wood
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This week's auto express say's it will cost you £164,107 for the GT2 RS. Can it beat the Nissan GTR around the ring ?
garyw
Moderator
If it didn't it's still the better car [8D] Have you seen the running costs emerging around the GTR!!! [&:]ORIGINAL: a7smw Can it beat the Nissan GTR around the ring ?
Gary Good point NBR times are a bit of a red herring. Its how much you enjoy driving the car that matters more than anything else. For most 911 drivers that includes how much the car involves you in the driving process. No doubt the GTR is a fantastic car (I've had a couple of Nissan 200's in my time) but if you read all the reviews they do indicate its like a play station game and therefore not that involving - that suggests to me that no matter how fast I am in it, I won't enjoy it as much as my old 200sx's let alone the beast. []
Tom, there's no way the Metger engine will be in the 991 GT3/GT2. That would defeat the purpose of moving to a new A91 engine with the rest of the range. I think the reason the 997.2 GT3/GT2 don't have the A91 engine is because it hasn't been race proven/honed/bulletproofed yet. I would be AMAZED if the 991 GT2 has 620bhp or more from the new A91 engine!! It much more likely to be lower power with less weight. Frankly I think 600hp is the absolute limit for any road going car anyway - not only can't you use/put-down that much power onto the public tarmac in a completely safe way (especially with only 2wd) but also these hp levels only really have a big performance impact above speeds of 100mph. ie. it's really a track tool only. So I think this is the last hurrah of the Metger engine in the GT2RS. Porsche have taken it to the (read: their) max as a final goodbye. Also, I heard that this car has been ready for a long time now. They just didn't announce it until now as they didn't want to step on the toes of the new Turbo (and S). So development moved on from the Metger engine quite some time ago.ORIGINAL: okellyt Alternatively they drove it, scared themselves silly and thought - that's enough performance for your average fat merchant banker/ captain of industry. And on the way back to the office said very quietly, ...." this leaves us a margin to improve the next GT2 with no effort what so ever......"
The King is dead. Long live the King![]ORIGINAL: Alex L So development moved on from the Metger engine quite some time ago.
The new coronated king is a 2 year old though []ORIGINAL: tscaptainThe King is dead. Long live the King![]ORIGINAL: Alex L So development moved on from the Metger engine quite some time ago.
“A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single stepâ€[]ORIGINAL: Alex L The new coronated king is a 2 year old though []
- unless you are driving... Sorry - getting off topic here!ORIGINAL: tscaptain“A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single stepâ€[]ORIGINAL: Alex L The new coronated king is a 2 year old though []
Ok, won't bother with the metaphors in future![] Not really off topic anyway as if this car is likely to be the last hurrah for this (25 year old?) engine in a 911 it should be celebrated as such.ORIGINAL: Alex L - unless you are driving... Sorry - getting off topic here!
Surely thats the " a journey of a thousand miles begins with with a single accelerator prod"[] In the 997 it was always just the casting from base of the engine block carried over from the original Metger engine - Porsche with their focus on continuous evolution have over the years changed the old Metger engine out of all recognition from where it came from. The "all new A91" engine will carry over parts from previous engines for the very reasons you highlight - reliability and cost. Also to meet evolving emissions and consumption legislation/targets. The original engine blew up quite a lot when first used for motor sport and had appalling fuel economy. It was the ongoing development that made it a great series of engines and the reality is it was a series of engines based on the same initial block that was evolved over time to give it the reliability and tune-ability that we now take for granted. I guess Marketing had had all they could out of the link with the race engine and the view moving to DFI plus variable turbine geometry broke what ever tenuous link there was left. So we start with a new series of engine and see if over the years they can successfully improve it and prove it under race conditions. It always takes time and effort and often going back to start again. I see in an ad in one of the magazine though that a tuner has 650hp out of the "new" engine, no doubt with upgraded parts but ti shows early potential already. But to support what you were saying Alex, a lot of work is required if the new engine are to get a reputation any where near that of the outgoing engines. Also as they say Power gives you your top speed but its torque that wins races. With increasing congestion, lower speed limits more strictly enforced and pressure on emissions and fuel economy it does suggest a lower limit coming on a usable sports cars power with a focus perhaps back to making them lighter and giving them a big chunky torque plateau throughout the rev range - albeit the racers might argue they want a torque curve increasing as you go up the revs as it makes the car feel more race car like.ORIGINAL: Alex L- unless you are driving... Sorry - getting off topic here!ORIGINAL: tscaptain“A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single stepâ€[]ORIGINAL: Alex L The new coronated king is a 2 year old though []
I'm not sure why you say a lot of work is required Tom? I would have thought they have already put a lot of work into them - with more to come no doubt. Maybe a passage of time is needed before judgment can be made? Pedant's Corner - I think it's Metzger![]ORIGINAL: okellyt But to support what you were saying Alex, a lot of work is required if the new engine are to get a reputation any where near that of the outgoing engines.
Still are, mate! [&o]ORIGINAL: garyw I wonder if this is what the 993 boys were like when they announced the new forthcoming watercooled 996 [] [] garyw
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