997 GTS!
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I really like the look of this. Just lovely and I'm a sucker for all the descriptions and pictures. The C2s powerkit 997 I had a few years back was a hoot and made a lovely noise. In a couple of weeks I'm collecting a white Turbo S coupe and wifey would crunch all my man parts if I said I'd have a GTS too. A slight issue like cost sort of rules it out as well. Very nice though. Greg
Wills
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Sorry Doug, I thought you were questioning why someone would buy one hence my reply pointing out why someone would want to buy one.[ORIGINAL: zen4590 I only asked myself why I would want to spend 80k on a C2s with wider rear arches and an extra 28bhp when you can buy a 997 Turbo or GT3 for at least 20k less (never mind the 996 / 993 variants you could buy for that money) ?? Even with the "GTS" badge from a Cayenne and that all important black strip between the tail pipes....I just don't get it ??? I guess it's because I am a Pistonhead at heart [] We are very fortunate that our beloved manufacturer caters for people of all tastes and of all pockets. And long may it continue ! Does this mean you are going to buy one of these instead of the Masser ?? If you get in there quick...might even be first one at the golf club [
] As I said some people don't want the driving experience the Turbo/GT3 offers or prefer a new car they can spec themselves but cannot run to the price of a GT3 or Turbo. The GTS badge has its history in the classic Porsche 904 GTS not the Cayenne although that too did have the badge. Had this car been available last year when I bought my C2S then yes of course I would have bought it, widebodied more power etc...all for a premium of 2k. (surely I would be mad not to!) Naturally someone who wanted a Turbo,GT3 or 996/993 wouldn't buy one. I think you are concentrating on the insignificant styling cues rather than on the classic combination that Porsche has revived namely the wide body RWD NA set up....personally I think that's something to celebrate Oh and yes I love Maseratis, but sadly I didn't listen at school so I'll just have to admire those from afar although we do occasionally get 1 or 2 in the golf club car park. []
Wills
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Of course its a run out model just like the turbo S (do you like that?)[ORIGINAL: zen4590Ok, I do see your point now [ORIGINAL: Wills Sorry Doug, I thought you were questioning why someone would buy one hence my reply pointing out why someone would want to buy one.[
] or is that a cynical parts bin special with an extra 30bhp....All cars lose money so we'll just have to get over that, by the way a GT3 is narrow bodied so if you want a wide bodied RWD 911 and can't afford the RS then this is your perfect car...[] I knew you'd come round to my way of thinking[8D] Cheers Neil
I'm far less cynical. The next Gen 911 (don't think it's 991 or 998) has been put back, and won't be here until 2012. Porsche are a business and have to maintain interest in their current products. For someone buying a car today, the choice is still pretty fantastic - GT3, GT3RS, Turbo, Turbo 'S', GT2, 997, 997GTS.......not to mention the special Boxster and Cayman derivitives. Looking positively, you could say they've saved the best until last. Anyone in the market for a new 911 today could spec a very nice GTS and be very happy for the rest of their life. But I'd remove the tacky sticker[].
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Wills
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Sorry Doug, when I said "pistonheads response" I was refering to the famous car forum where people attack new models without knowing the first thing about them or their capabilities and suggest that we should all buy a secondhand car instead as its got more power and therefore must be better. I wasn't refering to the general mindset of a pistonhead (i.e someone who is mad about cars) As most car lovers think its great when new models are launched offering us all something different. (Whether we buy/want it or not) I'm not sure why you compare the GTS to a Turbo or GT3 as they are different cars for different needs and wants? And has anyone actually stated that this new car will "go like a Turbo or GT3?" I think not. And as for your comment about being "all badge and no trousers" do I deduce from that that everyone who doesn't drive a GT3 or Turbo is in that camp? As that would be about 90% of the membership of the PCGB (but thanks for the head up) Oh and I'll watch out for that exige next time I'm at the lights....[ORIGINAL: zen4590I do like it...very much (just can't afford one right now...give it 3 yrs though). Mainly because you can't buy a better / faster / more-powerful / more-thrilling Porsche for less money on the used market (even 996 GT2 is no match). So then there is at least some logic in buying one for someone like me (aka...pistonhead). Plus, it's not pretending to be something it isn't....it's a Turbo....just with a bit extra = S (like it says on the lid).  I owned a 997C2s for 3yrs until I drove a Turbo....never looked back since (only to see who is behind me) [ORIGINAL: Wills Of course its a run out model just like the turbo S (do you like that?)[
] Keep smiling Doug....[]
From the Porsche UK website - without any optionification: Carrera GTS - £76,758 Carrera GT3 - £87,953
Mmm - me too!
Hilarious! [
] ... however, just considering "from the lights": Lotus Exige S, 0-100kph: 4.7 seconds Carrera GTS manual: 4.6 seconds Carrera GTS PDK + Sport Chrono: 4.2 seconds
That post really does belong on 'Pistonheads' [ORIGINAL: zen4590 I do like it...very much (just can't afford one right now...give it 3 yrs though). Mainly because you can't buy a better / faster / more-powerful / more-thrilling Porsche for less money on the used market (even 996 GT2 is no match). So then there is at least some logic in buying one for someone like me (aka...pistonhead). Plus, it's not pretending to be something it isn't....it's a Turbo....just with a bit extra = S (like it says on the lid).  I owned a 997C2s for 3yrs until I drove a Turbo....never looked back since (only to see who is behind me) [
] I do despair at Turbo owners who think their cars are better because they're faster (and I drive one [8|]) Sometimes you just can't beat the balance of a rwd 911, or the glorious, linear, sound and delivery of a really good normally aspirated flat-six. And, I do not mean off "the traffic lights".
Wills
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EFA, [ORIGINAL: spydermanFrom the Porsche UK website - without any optionification: Carrera GTS - £76,758 Carrera GT3 - £87,953Mmm - me too!Hilarious! [
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I don't understand why this thread is a bit "stressy". As Mike (Oliver) said earlier there's a current 911 to suit every taste and if the bean counters in Stuttgart think this model is a good idea (and you can't blame them for trying to get the last drop out of it) then who am I (or we) to argue. Most gave a sideways glance at the Sport Classic, especially the price[&:], but they have all sold. This latest variation of the 997 is not one I would choose but I'm sure it will appeal to many, especially the bigger bum lovers[8D]
I agree! The GTS makes a 997.1 TT look rather dodgy value actually. Similar money and with PDK it is almost as fast and you get all the gen2 improvements plus a warrenty thrown in as it is a new car!ORIGINAL: oliverThat post really does belong on 'Pistonheads' [ORIGINAL: zen4590 I do like it...very much (just can't afford one right now...give it 3 yrs though). Mainly because you can't buy a better / faster / more-powerful / more-thrilling Porsche for less money on the used market (even 996 GT2 is no match). So then there is at least some logic in buying one for someone like me (aka...pistonhead). Plus, it's not pretending to be something it isn't....it's a Turbo....just with a bit extra = S (like it says on the lid).  I owned a 997C2s for 3yrs until I drove a Turbo....never looked back since (only to see who is behind me) [
You need to watch out mate, this car is going to make your 997.1 TT depreciate just as fast! Could your anger towards the model be a case of sour grapes perhaps? [
] To me the GTS is the best value 997 ever albeit rather late in the day, but thats the whole point of it - to shift cars when the 991 is looming. Just imagine how the Carrera Sport Classic owners feel right now! They have paid rather a lot for their ducktails!betternotbigger
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I'm just really glad it has the big behind, because that gives me a reason to prefer my beautiful slim-hipped C2S. In every other respect (esp power) the GTS is a winner (or at least better value since I have PSE SC etc paid for full price). I even like the alcantara... pass the strong cider...
I'll stick with my GT3, but I'm a sucker for mini burgers & cocktails so off to the preview I go on the 13th October in Reading. David Piper & Tim Harvey are giving some interviews as well, so better than the usual launch. Yes it's an end of line special, but what's wrong with that...My 1st Porsche was a 550 boxster and it was one of the best cars I've ever owned and that was an end of the line special.
This is a very long debate for a car that costs only £2K more than its closest cousin but has over £10K of extras. As a previous forum member said. What is not to like? If this was a debate about a car that cost more than the sum of its parts I could understand the scorn, but it costs less. I can't see the logic in comparing it to second hand turbos and GT3s. If someone is about to buy a brand new C2S (and why shouldn't they, its up to them whether to wait for the 991 so that is a separate debate, and then might not want an older car, otherwise they wouldn't be in a showroom looking at a new one), then they would naturally compare the C2S they were about to buy to a brand new C2 GTS and find it very favourable. Simple. All other comparisons about 2nd hand cars versus new ones applies to the whole range, not just this model.
Clewsey
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Quite agree here. You won't find me complaining of the drive and performance of my Gen II C2S. Let's face it, the majority of the UK's clogged up roads don't offer the thrills our cars can provide. That's why I'm more keen to attend a trackday to get them. Incidentally, this year at the Nurburgring I past owners of Exiges, F430s (oh even a 458), 911 turbos and even a Nissan GTR. I had an S1 Exige once, lovely drive but I decided I needed to get somewhere without being shaken to death [ORIGINAL: oliverThat post really does belong on 'Pistonheads' [ORIGINAL: zen4590 I do like it...very much (just can't afford one right now...give it 3 yrs though). Mainly because you can't buy a better / faster / more-powerful / more-thrilling Porsche for less money on the used market (even 996 GT2 is no match). So then there is at least some logic in buying one for someone like me (aka...pistonhead). Plus, it's not pretending to be something it isn't....it's a Turbo....just with a bit extra = S (like it says on the lid).  I owned a 997C2s for 3yrs until I drove a Turbo....never looked back since (only to see who is behind me) [
] I think we should all appreciate our cars for what they are and get on enjoying them! Cheers, Simon
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