9974S Sports Exhaust?

[Guest]

Hi there,

Well I've bitten the bullet on the depreciation front (like most...don't ask!!) and am part exing my 2004 9964S for a new 9974S. I love the sound of my 996 with sports exhaust though and have heard some negative comments about the new sports exhaust version. Do any members have any experience or views on this they'd like to share, I'd appreciate their input before I decide on the spec.

Regards,
Shaun Power

 

[sidicks]

ORIGINAL: smooth
Well I've bitten the bullet on the depreciation front (like most...don't ask!!) and am part exing my 2004 9964S for a new 9974S. I love the sound of my 996 with sports exhaust though and have heard some negative comments about the new sports exhaust version. Do any members have any experience or views on this they'd like to share, I'd appreciate their input before I decide on the spec.

I'm afraid I can't comment on a comparison between the 996 and 997 with Sports Exhaust, but what I can say is that my (2 week old!) 997 C4S with Sports exhaust sounds awesome.

Even without the exhaust switched on, there is a fierce growl on start-up which was much louder than I expected, and the noise gets even better / more aggressive / louder when the button is switched on. I ended up looking for tunnels so that I could blip the throttle and enjoy the noise.

My car is still being run-in, so I haven't explored the sound at higher revs yet, however, I'm sure it will sound even better.

I'd be amazed if this was a step down from the PSE on the 996 C4S

Sidicks

 

[Ronnie C]

I'm quite tempted to get the PSE upgrade myself. Last time I was at my OPC, they demo'ed a car with PSE to me... sounds wonderful.

However, I will say that the standard engine w/o PSE sounds great also. We spend most, if not all, of our time behind the wheel, inside the car, cocooned from the exterior sound. Any demonstration involving PSE or not, where you stand outside and behind the car is going to sound like a huge improvement.

Also, am I right in thinking that if you want the PSE sound on all the time, its best to have it installed after delivery, as the factory fitted option turns off automatically at certain speeds.

 

[Guest]

I have a two week old 997S CAB with the sports exhaust, This is a must have item you won't be disapointed. I had originally ordered my 997 with chrono and PSE then found out that you only have the on / off button on the dash when you DON'T order Chrono. If you have Chrono the PSE is activated by the Sport button which is a Pain. So I cancelled the Chrono saved £ 500 and got rid of that silly dial that no one ever uses. When I order my next Porsche the PSE will be at the top of the options list.

This is my first Porsche by the way and I am hooked, it's BRILLIANT, even on a cold day, hood down, heated seats on, switch the PSE on and just keep on smiling, FANTASTIC.

Good Luck

Roger

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: Roger Smith

I have a two week old  997S CAB with the sports exhaust, This is a must have item you won't be disapointed. I had originally ordered my 997 with chrono and PSE then found out that you only have the on / off button on the dash when you DON'T order Chrono. If you have Chrono the PSE is activated by the Sport button which is a Pain. So I cancelled the Chrono saved £ 500 and got rid of that silly dial that no one ever uses. When I order my next Porsche the PSE will be at the top of the options list.

This is my first Porsche by the way and I am hooked, it's BRILLIANT, even on a cold day, hood down, heated seats on, switch the PSE on and just keep on smiling, FANTASTIC.

Good Luck

Roger

Roger, that's very interesting. Convinces me that i need to get the PSE fitted. The noise was the only slight disappointment for me, that and the wheels, which i think are a bit too fussy. Otherwise , the car is awesome, and the best looking 911 too. All we need now is a bit of sun!

 

[Guest]

Interesting your comment about the wheels, being my first Porsche I took advice about the wheels and paid a bit extra for the classic wheels which look great and are very easy to clean.

Summer will be here soon, it's worth losing a bit of rigidity to get the top down.......

Drive safely and often

Roger

 

[nsm3]

I'm probably going down the aftermarket exhaust route in a few weeks time which will be "switched on" all the time.

It is cheaper than the retrofit PSE and the OPC have written confirming there should be no warranty issues. Just having to find a "modified car" insurance quote which doesn't erode the savings over the retrofit PSE option at the moment.

BTW, has anyone had a firm quote on the retrofit PSE option?

I will post views on the results as soon as.

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: Roger Smith

Interesting your comment about the wheels, being my first Porsche I took advice about the wheels and paid a bit extra for the classic wheels which look great and are very easy to clean.

Summer will be here soon, it's worth losing a bit of rigidity to get the top down.......

Drive safely and often


thank you. I think u made a very good choice on the wheels. Am a relatively recent convert to the cab, and it's surprising how much of the time u can use it with the top down. As u say , heated seats on, top down.... and head for warp speed! also very handy to be able to take top up/down on the move, or with the remote when it's parked []

cheers,

Nick B

 

[timhum2002]

I have been quoted £1760 for the sytem fitted with the on/off switch by OPC Cambridge, I believe they will also give a discount on the cost of parts to club members. The only drawback is getting hold of the system, they are waiting for delivery with at least one other on order and hope they will arrive at the end of March.

Tim
997C2S

 

[Guest]

Good point, i was told the cost was about 1,800, but they made no mention of availability. I think the on/off switch is very handy, so at least i won't annoy the neighbours too much when i leave the house at 6am.

thx
Nick

 

[sidicks]

ORIGINAL: bluffield

Good point, i was told the cost was about 1,800, but they made no mention of availability. I think the on/off switch is very handy, so at least i won't annoy the neighbours too much when i leave the house at 6am.

As standard, the PSE reverts to off, so you have to actively turn the exhaust on each time you start up the car.

This suits me, as like you, I leave the house early (5.45am) and don't want to wake the neighbours (or my wife).

Having said that, a C4S isn't exactly silent on start-up, PSE or no PSE !!

Sidicks

 

[nsm3]

I've just had a mail from the OPC quoting £1,600 all in, but I'm not sure if that includes VAT?

If it does, I think I will go the PSE route and avoid ANY warranty/insurance issues.

 

[Marc B]

I ordered the sports exhaust on my 3 week old C4S Cab and have to say it sounds fantastic. I would differently recommend it. It sound so good I have it on permanently. The chaps at the OPC simple unplug the connection in the engine bay. System stays on. Simple.

 

[nsm3]

OK, the OPC have confirmed that £1600 includes VAT, making the upgrade only £178 more than fitting Tubistyle mufflers - this seems too good to be true!

I am assuming I will be getting more than a new set of tailpipes and a "placebo" dashboard switch?

BTW - honest answers required - is the soundtrack "significantly" better with the PSE engaged?

 

[Guest]

The Sports Exhaust does make a significant difference, I took my wife out for a spin for the first time on Saturday, new 997C2S CAB she asked me to turn off PSE it was to loud "attracted to much attention" Worth every penny THEN.

My wife has asked where the spare key is so she can take it for a spin while I'm at work, Don't like that idea at all. I have told a white lie about being manual, heavy clutch, stalls all the time if you don'y get the revs just right. My wife drives an auto which is why she thinks I got the manual on purpose " Don't be silly Darling"

As I said before PSE should be top of your options list before BOSE sound systems, carpets, heater etc you get the idea.

Drive safely and often

Roger

 

[nsm3]

Thanks Roger, exactly the answer I was hoping for - now where's my chequebook?

BTW - just checked on the Porsche GB car configurator and see that the PSE option costs £1,363 incl VAT so £1,600 as a retro-fit, ain't a bad deal!

 

[sidicks]

ORIGINAL: nsm3
BTW - just checked on the Porsche GB car configurator and see that the PSE option costs £1,363 incl VAT so £1,600 as a retro-fit, ain't a bad deal!

Think it's actually 'only' £1,160, as the price on the configurator already includes VAT......

Either way, it's still worth it!

Sidicks

 

[nsm3]

Ah yes, you're right - not quite so good then, but I suppose the labour element is quite high as there are 2 hours for the mechanical bits and perhaps the same again for the wiring mods plus new dashboard console section with switch (I hope!), new outlet pipes etc? Still works out slightly cheaper than an aftermarket set.

The main saving for me is by not having to claim the car as "modified" to the insurance - premium will drop by £400+

 

[sidicks]

Also, presumably you will be given the standard exhaust back, so you could theoretically sell that on to someone else, whereas the £1,160 option is an 'upgrade' cost ?

Sidicks

 

[Guest]

Shaun, I will try to answer your query based on the fact that I had a 996 C4S with PSE for a year and now have a 997 C4S with same.

Whilst I didn't not own one car back-to-back with the other (a gap of nearly two years can dull the memory), I have to say that the new one is nowhere near as good as the old one. I certainly don't wish to sound condescending, but I would imagine most replies are based on owners of the new series who didn't own the last one and so are comparing a 997 with the PSE switched on and off. Of course, on it will sound much better than off. But that doesn't make it as good as the 996's PSE in my opinion.

And, as someone has mentioned, the new car requires you to turn it on, whereas the 996 defaulted to on. For the first few miles I thought it was even more of a disasterous option than my 996!

It is, however, a popular option and much cheaper factory fitted, judging by the figures above, and I would therefore still go for it.

As depreciation is the most significant part of Porsche ownership (thanks to the fact that they make sooo many cars), why don't you tell me what you lost? To show that I am not bathing in your sorrow, I lost 12.5K in 11 months and 14K on a 03/03 996 C4S.

Oh, and don't think, as I did, that there will be a lot less depreciation on the 997 (I struggled as you obviously have with the argument about the 996 C4S vs a new one- see other threads), given that, unlike when I got my 996, there is no new 911 on the horizon, as a friend of mine with a 997 C4S (5 months old, 1.5K) has been offered 11K less than the purchase price by his OPC! Oh, and that was based on him ordering a 997 Turbo.

Keep working.

Derek