A huge 'thank you' to the GT4 design team ...
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Accolades seem to be coming in from all directions ..
30th December Autocar summary of an extraordinary year from Matt Burt (Editor) ... "From the breathtaking Porsche Cayman GT4 via the ... to the ..."
Even the Daily Telegraph appears to agree !
To think that one could be had for £65k ....
30th December Autocar summary of an extraordinary year from Matt Burt (Editor) ... "From the breathtaking Porsche Cayman GT4 via the ... to the ..."
Even the Daily Telegraph appears to agree !
To think that one could be had for £65k ....
Did any one buy a £65k gt4 lol base prices are always a laugh And while bucket seats were standard in the old R we had to pay through the nose with the GT4 !
thing is it should have an unlocked engine, hydrolic steering and shorter 2nd and 3rd gears And be 100kg lighter that would be a master piece. Plus the PCM is shit Over the new unit :-(
so not quite a masterpiece but a very nice car with the parts and buget they had I guess for a real £75k car And we have seen some £85k specs posted !
Odd when when people say £75k is cheap though when my Fiesta st3 has more toys more steering feel and is all the car you really need on the road for £15k ;-) dare I say maybe even more fun !
my spyders also still more fun at 1/2 todays price, revs nicer, sounds better and has more feel.
I like my gt4 but it's not a master peice it has a few compromises So find it strange people go ga ga over it so much.
not knocking it , it is what it is, but NOT a masterpiece.
Dont want to sound too negative though it's a bloody good car, but it's not cheap and it could be loads better
thing is it should have an unlocked engine, hydrolic steering and shorter 2nd and 3rd gears And be 100kg lighter that would be a master piece. Plus the PCM is shit Over the new unit :-(
so not quite a masterpiece but a very nice car with the parts and buget they had I guess for a real £75k car And we have seen some £85k specs posted !
Odd when when people say £75k is cheap though when my Fiesta st3 has more toys more steering feel and is all the car you really need on the road for £15k ;-) dare I say maybe even more fun !
my spyders also still more fun at 1/2 todays price, revs nicer, sounds better and has more feel.
I like my gt4 but it's not a master peice it has a few compromises So find it strange people go ga ga over it so much.
not knocking it , it is what it is, but NOT a masterpiece.
Dont want to sound too negative though it's a bloody good car, but it's not cheap and it could be loads better
waxman said:i see Evo have given GT4 car of the year 2015 beating the ferrari 488 and GT3 RS plus a host of others - so I would say it's capabilities are beyond 99% percent of drivers[
So now we understand why 99% can't buy one!
spyderwhite
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The 981 gt4 v 987.2 spyder different cars different masterpieces! Having owned both neither is better than the other just different but I am leaning more towards the gt4 the more I drive it!
I have never seen a car at £71k which is >3x the ave uk wage pa take home pay as value lolcondor said:
i think finding a nice mint 987 boxster at £10k seems like good value
i cannot not say I have ever looked out my window stared at my GT4 and said "wow that's value for money"
if % rates were normal and there were no premiums Porsche would not have sold all they could.
That's just my view, if this car did not fetch a premium and rates were higher Porsche would not have sold them all, they would drop and I would have bought one in 2 years time at £45k
I don't think any car is value for money at £75k Apples for Apples or not they are luxury buys way out of most people reach.
The value part comes from low rates and the car not dropping 40% in 3 years like most cars do so free motoring. All though £900 show room tax and 19mpg is not quite free ;-)
I only took the plunge because of the strong resale, NOT because I thought the car was good value.
Most new cars are a rip off if anything and drop like a stone hence I NEVER BUY NEW it's suicide most of the time and a rich mans game, I tend to buy 3 years old, then AGAIN they seem like good value cars after the 40% drop.
That's why ave joe flipping it at £30k seems the right thing to do(and why so many are for sale), that's more than my PA take home pay !! I have not met any one yet who has said keep it !
if one were buying a track car then one would be wise to swap it for £105k and buy the £55k Exige Sport (the new one looks a nice thing now) take the £30k off you just made and then buying that at £25k seems more like a bargain people are talking about
I guess people ideas of what a bargain is a bit different depending on what one earns.
If I went to any of my mates or clients and said, "look at my new GT4, it's mega value for money and in fact a bargain" they would prob call me a twat !
I don't think any car is value for money at £75k Apples for Apples or not they are luxury buys way out of most people reach.
The value part comes from low rates and the car not dropping 40% in 3 years like most cars do so free motoring. All though £900 show room tax and 19mpg is not quite free ;-)
I only took the plunge because of the strong resale, NOT because I thought the car was good value.
Most new cars are a rip off if anything and drop like a stone hence I NEVER BUY NEW it's suicide most of the time and a rich mans game, I tend to buy 3 years old, then AGAIN they seem like good value cars after the 40% drop.
That's why ave joe flipping it at £30k seems the right thing to do(and why so many are for sale), that's more than my PA take home pay !! I have not met any one yet who has said keep it !
if one were buying a track car then one would be wise to swap it for £105k and buy the £55k Exige Sport (the new one looks a nice thing now) take the £30k off you just made and then buying that at £25k seems more like a bargain people are talking about
I guess people ideas of what a bargain is a bit different depending on what one earns.
If I went to any of my mates or clients and said, "look at my new GT4, it's mega value for money and in fact a bargain" they would prob call me a twat !
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MrDemon said:I have never seen a car at £71k which is >3x the ave uk wage pa take home pay as value lol
i think finding a nice mint 987 boxster at £10k seems like good value
Having owned a 987.1 Boxster S I'm not so sure they could be called good value. Mine like many turned out to have the infamous bore scoring that was ticking away like a time bomb. I also thought that the build quality was worse than my previous 986. Even though it's more expensive at about £20K I would say the 987.2 2.9 boxster is better value. A lot of useable performance on the road for the money. However,as an average earning Joe, I'm currently trying to persuade myself that a Cayman R for £40K+ is good value for money! [
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the great thing about the R is resale value when buying over a 987.2 car, I do miss mine loads and it cost me next to nothing to run for 2.5 years (helped me save for the GT4) !
this year the prices look even firmer though, so I may have made a mistake selling so soon, I see one at £49k !!!
My GT4 is a mind bender regarding the value of it atm, to take £25/£30k out of it is a very hard choice to make.
like buying a R for 10k !! in real money or do I just keep the GT4 !!
I think the R with 8k spent on one would be the perfect sports road car for the keen driver, 370BHp, adjustable sus, all the feed back one likes, low TAX bracket, ok Mpg
what's not to like.
I think the R is like the 964 of old a very nice sweet spot which people will look back on for a purest drive in 5/10 years time.
this year the prices look even firmer though, so I may have made a mistake selling so soon, I see one at £49k !!!
My GT4 is a mind bender regarding the value of it atm, to take £25/£30k out of it is a very hard choice to make.
like buying a R for 10k !! in real money or do I just keep the GT4 !!
I think the R with 8k spent on one would be the perfect sports road car for the keen driver, 370BHp, adjustable sus, all the feed back one likes, low TAX bracket, ok Mpg
what's not to like.
I think the R is like the 964 of old a very nice sweet spot which people will look back on for a purest drive in 5/10 years time.
ChrisW said:MrDemon said:
I completely agree with you, so long as you can describe a £40k car as being good value
Which must make a GT4 at list price at least pretty good value
Chris - I agree with you ... Mr D loves to tell us all how great a Cayman R is and how pure a Spyder is ... truth be known who would ever pay list for one of them, crazy! On the contrary everyone would love to pay list on a GT4 - its a different class to a Spyder and R otherwise they would be going for more than £40k which is still below 90% of any 911 values ... Sorry for being so apparently argumentative but i never read any articles of the Spyder or R outperforming Ferrari's Lambo's & Maclarens - Porsche has made one of the best & most Iconic cars in its history in the GT4 - Mr D likes to be contrary, as we know! I would go out on a limb and say "after a glass or two of Wine" LOL - that if Porsche made a GT4 RS it could be the best car ever made by Porsche thats not a 918 or 959 or 2.7RS ... and in some ways Pound for Pound even better than those Porsche icons ... Lets all keep our fingers crossed ...
The CaymanR is an awsome car trust me perfect car for road occasional track.and its worth more than 40 k well mine is to me
Low miles right spec I see then as mid 40s to late 40s perfect examples that is.
Yes its not GT4 but not all of us are lucky enough to have one.
Low miles right spec I see then as mid 40s to late 40s perfect examples that is.
Yes its not GT4 but not all of us are lucky enough to have one.
CarreraGTS said:Porsche has made one of the best & most Iconic cars in its history in the GT4
I would go out on a limb and say "after a glass or two of Wine" LOL - that if Porsche made a GT4 RS it could be the best car ever made by Porsche thats not a 918 or 959 or 2.7RS ... and in some ways Pound for Pound even better than those Porsche icons ... Lets all keep our fingers crossed ...
What is it that makes the GT4 so good. I've very much enjoyed my previous Cayman S and Boxster Spyder, so i'm all for these cars and not challenging your view, but just trying to understand what is it that puts the GT4 up there. To me part of the euphoria is due to Porsche making us wait 10 years before taking the Cayman this far. It is no doubt a very very good car and up there with the best in terms of capability and enjoyment to drive, but what sets it apart as a milestone in Porsche's vast catalogue and an icon. I know it sometimes comes down to small things, such as engineering finesse or an uncompromising driving experience or an unrelenting pursuit of weight saving, such as with cars like the 2.7RS or 964RS or 996RS [or whatever one chooses to put on the list of icons]. Just trying to understand, for example, what the GT4 has that the GT3 does not, or if it is the GT4 RS that will be the icon, what the GT4 lacks as it stands without the 'RS treatment'. The fact that its mid-engined and a Cayman I don't think is the answer as Caymans have always been mid-engined and utterly brilliant to drive, so what set this one apart and puts it up there with the best cars Porsche has ever made, regardless of the engine position. The Carrera GT is a mid-engined supercar made of exotic materials and components but was still out performed by the 'old' 997 made from more 'ordinary' bits, so I don't think its a mid-engine vs rear engine debate as I think Porsche can advance any platform to be as good as any other.
Guys -
I am not here to argue, thats for other people! We all love our Porsches and naturally stick by what we own and our history of ownership when in conversation. I am no racing driver or aficionado so my opinion is two fold 1) From me 2) From the Worlds motoring Press, including racing drivers and aficionados ... Personally i would not own an R or Spyder, there is no history or legacy behind these cars which is why Porsche could not give them away at time of manufacture at list Price. Which ironically is what helps their low volume & novelty value now - I would go Gen2 911 all day long at £45k or BMW 1M or BMW CSL
To answer - "What makes a GT4 so good" ...? Heres "my" List .. in order of Value
1) GT Dept build Car
2) GT Race Legacy and Pedigree
3) Rare - Mid Engine - Manual Shift
4) GT3 Suspension & Brake Components
5) Balance & Feel on all surfaces
6) Race car sound
7) 918 & RS Interior Seats & Cabin
8) Aesthetically Beautiful inside & out
9) Cracking Value £££
What could be better - But would then unquestionably be a better car than 991 GT3 Porsche but not at Half the Price - therefore not within the design brief!
1) Gearing - Probably PDK
2) Bespoke Engine
3) Tad Lighter
In other words GT4 RS at Circa £100k ... Lets keep our fingers crossed
I am not here to argue, thats for other people! We all love our Porsches and naturally stick by what we own and our history of ownership when in conversation. I am no racing driver or aficionado so my opinion is two fold 1) From me 2) From the Worlds motoring Press, including racing drivers and aficionados ... Personally i would not own an R or Spyder, there is no history or legacy behind these cars which is why Porsche could not give them away at time of manufacture at list Price. Which ironically is what helps their low volume & novelty value now - I would go Gen2 911 all day long at £45k or BMW 1M or BMW CSL
To answer - "What makes a GT4 so good" ...? Heres "my" List .. in order of Value
1) GT Dept build Car
2) GT Race Legacy and Pedigree
3) Rare - Mid Engine - Manual Shift
4) GT3 Suspension & Brake Components
5) Balance & Feel on all surfaces
6) Race car sound
7) 918 & RS Interior Seats & Cabin
8) Aesthetically Beautiful inside & out
9) Cracking Value £££
What could be better - But would then unquestionably be a better car than 991 GT3 Porsche but not at Half the Price - therefore not within the design brief!
1) Gearing - Probably PDK
2) Bespoke Engine
3) Tad Lighter
In other words GT4 RS at Circa £100k ... Lets keep our fingers crossed
I'm not here to argue either, but there'd be no forum if no-one replied to anyone's posts
There is much to debate in your response, but as I say, I just want to hear what people have to say, not challenge it.
Will be interesting to see over time what happens with all these cars in terms of desirability, collectability etc etc. It takes time for that to become apparent.
There is much to debate in your response, but as I say, I just want to hear what people have to say, not challenge it.
Will be interesting to see over time what happens with all these cars in terms of desirability, collectability etc etc. It takes time for that to become apparent.
The R not selling was due to the lowest UK cars sales in 10 years and the recession hitting big, not the car being crap. If the R were to be sold now it would have sold ok imo. I don't buy cars like others do on history/legacy as to be honest I don't care at all about that , hence I always buy Caymans NOT 911's, I buy cars to drive and have fun in, the reason the R is doing well now is it's a car which drives better than most things, and it's took a while for people to find out it's better than the reviews said it was, it also now the last Cayman with the feel people want as a drivers car, is it a GT car , no, who cares ? brand snobs ? maybe ? not sure but to say "i would not own an R or Spyder, there is no history or legacy behind these cars" seems to be a image thing for sure !
an R is not novelty value lol , it's now a well regarded drivers car imo and one with more feel than a GT4 to hoot I think most people jumped in blind as soon as the 3.8 engine was in the spec regarding the GT4 nothing more. and you will get 100% flippers to the RS if they are allowed to swap to one, so no one will keep it if they get an RS chance.
an R is not novelty value lol , it's now a well regarded drivers car imo and one with more feel than a GT4 to hoot
I think most people jumped in blind as soon as the 3.8 engine was in the spec regarding the GT4 nothing more. and you will get 100% flippers to the RS if they are allowed to swap to one, so no one will keep it if they get an RS chance.
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