A real 944 Turbo S

[944Turbo]

i can only remember seeing one "SE" for sale a few years back,,,,,
it sticks out in my mind because of the huge and ugly imho side decal,,,,,
looked like an afterthought and didnt seem right,,,,,,,,

that would be an s2
ref the original question, Lots of people wrongly call the late turbo an S or SE as it also has the 250BHP engine, in my opinion there is no real advantage to an S (especially in silver rose colour with special interior!) and wouldn't pay any more for one but that's just my view. I also like a sunroof on a road car.
The late cars have the big brakes, turbo, ARBs, securiflex screen (but its not original). Suspension will need (replacement have been replaced) so you can choose leda/gaz/m030/bilstein/kw/ohlins etc. Later cars have part leather sports seats, 10 speaker stereo etc.
Tony

 

[944 man]

Irrespective of what Porsche say now, this is what it was called at the time: I was there.

 

[rhys.williams007@yahoo.co.uk]

Blimey you lot are hardcore! Thanks for the useful info. Sorry to some, i have not researched the whole history of this particular forum. Cheers

 

[Frenchy]

As already said if it is a European car, no sunroof, split fold rear seats, M030 chassis, lightweight duplex windscreen which has cleaning details in German and English under the rear view mirror, M758 option and my logbook states turbo s.
I have a build sheet from Porsche which also states special model turbo s.
A lot of the 89 cars have M030 chassis for some reason and not so many 90 onward cars ?
The yanks as per usual bolloksed things up and demanded sunroofs to be made available for their cars which folks the concept up completely !

 

[blade7]

I don't remember the Turbo S selling for a whole lot more than a plain old 89- turbo before the investors got involved...

 

[Eldavo]

Glad I've got an S2. So much simpler.

Glad I've got a Turbo S - that also looks nowt like a "Turbo S"

 

[Waylander]

That, was a lot of cash in 1988!

what would that be in todays money?

 

[Waylander]

That, was a lot of cash in 1988!

what would that be in todays money?

 

[944 man]

Ive never seen that before Dave! The S in Turbo S, would stand for Super, as far as I am aware. AFN (as was) / PCGB decided quite late in the game to name the car Turbo with Sport Equipment / SE. This is why they used to Turbo S brochure, which Martin has had reproduced.

 

[944 man]

I see that it was unfortunate brevity, as they used the proper name, Turbo with Sport Equipment, above.

I think that Dave's original invoice from AFN (part of / owned by PCGB and ultimately Porsche) settles the Turbo SE or Turbo S argument on here once and for all.

 

[Eldavo]

Or it makes it more confusing as my car has the VIN and engine number in the Turbo S range - the spec is Turbo S and the details on the paperwork for the original owner's trade in (an 86 Turbo with CanCan leather) state the value against a new 1988 Turbo S.

But yet . . . The invoice says Turbo S and effectively Turbo SE.

God knows, but as it is one of the latest of the S's maybe I should start calling it a Turbo SSE

 

[944 man]

Google the April 1988 Performance Car. They test and M758 against a Ferrari. I saved it because it was where my love affair with the 944 Turbo started.

The press car is clearly described as a Turbo with Sport Equipment and it was in other period road tests too. For clarity, I noticed 'Turbo Sport' on your invoice and only saw Turbo Sport Equipment after I had replied - explaining my S = Super comment.

I am disappointed by some of the incorrect statements made by people in this thread, who regard themselves as knowledgeable. A further brief point which I wont elaborate on in too much detail in order that the scope of the argument doesn't become wider: SE was an abbreviation and it didn't matter until the Turbo S / Turbo with Sport Equipment nomenclature confusion was 'resolved' by people making up that an '89 Turbo (which is all it was called) was a 'Turbo SE' (it wasn't). PCGB added weight top this nonsense a few years ago with a half-arsed and terribly researched (maybe they asked on a forum?) model overview which repeated the 89/SE boll*cks.

 

[Eldavo]

So a Turbo S and a Turbo SE are the same thing?

How much would it wind you up if I called my car a 952 SSE then?

 

[blade7]

So a Turbo S and a Turbo SE are the same thing?

How much would it wind you up if I called my car a 952 SSE then?

Plenty if you were part yankee .

 

[MartinRS2K]

To confuse it even more the 944 Turbo Cup car is actually called a 944 Turbo Sport on the Certificate of Origin and Certificate of Authenticity but clearly shows that it is the Turbo Cup race car. When I spoke to Porsche UK and Porsche Germany they both said that Cup was not a name used in the registration of the 944 Turbo cars and the only versions ever registered with the DVLA and the German equivalent were 944 Turbo, 944 Turbo S, 944 Turbo Sport 1987-89 and 944 Turbo Cab

 

[MartinRS2K]

"Turbo SE" what's that then ?

According to Porsche Cars Germany there is no such thing

According to some Porsche Cars GB literature the SE was Special equipment. Take that as plenty of options included in the runout of the 944 before the 968 hit the dealers

I stand corrected, I thought SE was Special Equipment, but Simon (944Man) who I respect his many years of Porsche knowledge says it is Sport Equipment []

 

[blade7]

So a CoA for a UK supplied 89- turbo lists - MODEL 944 Turbo 1989-1991.

 

[MartinRS2K]

So a CoA for a UK supplied 89- turbo lists - MODEL 944 Turbo 1989-1991.

No it should just say 944 TURBO

The later Cup cars were produced between 1987 - 1989 which is why they had this name given I presume.

The DVLA could be different from what the CoA says and the details they are given are set by Porsche Cars GB. When I was registering the Cup car in the UK I had to liaise with Porsche GB to get the details correct on the DVLA Register for the car.

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

SE stood for Sport Equipment on the run out S2

 

[ChrisW]

To confuse it even more the 944 Turbo Cup car is actually called a 944 Turbo Sport on the Certificate of Origin and Certificate of Authenticity but clearly shows that it is the Turbo Cup race car. When I spoke to Porsche UK and Porsche Germany they both said that Cup was not a name used in the registration of the 944 Turbo cars and the only versions ever registered with the DVLA and the German equivalent were 944 Turbo, 944 Turbo S, 944 Turbo Sport 1987-89 and 944 Turbo Cab

944 Turbo Sports package WW was the Porsche description of a late Cup car and the Cup option was 754 (Turbo Cup vehicles) ... so now my question, how could a build sheet have an M44/51 engine designation with an M44/52 47J0**** engine number and the annotation M44*RC where the M44/52 engine number should be ?