Anyone viewed this?

[JaseGT4]

Seen this on ebay and interested in saving it. However I am many miles away and will not be able to view the car. I am concerned about all aspects including the engine but I'm not in a rush to drive it and would have it transported to my local porsche specialist to re-comission the engine etc. Obviously cost is an issue as I need to weigh up saving it or just spending (probably) less on buying a very nice model:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-Porsche-944-S2-53k-1-Previous-owner-Resto-Project-968-928-964-911-/281905549590?hash=item41a2e15116:g:62wAAOSw5dNWkoYo

To do it properly:
Car - £3.5K
New front wings £2K
Sills plus unseen work £2.5K
Respray - £3K
Re-comission of engine/gearbox, plus finding the reason why the car was parked up?? £2.5K upwards
Brakes, fluid, lines, shocks, tyres, basically everything that can deteriorate when a car is stood still. £2K

Total £15.5K + £5K fall back fund??

Would hate to see a late car scrapped but the heart says one thing and common sense is saying another.

Thoughts appreciated

 

[Eldavo]

That's my mate Chris selling that - I'll give him a bell now and get th gen on it!

 

[Eldavo]

Needs both outer sills and front wings, driver's side floor needs replacing around the handbrake area and rear quarters are rusty too.

Not started the engine obviously, but engine bay is pretty tidy.

Interior is fine apart from the driver's side seat runner is corroded and jammed due to damp from the floor - relatively easy repair on that one. Chris estimates £5k to get it back on the road and when the nights get lighter if it's not gone then he may do the work or break it for parts.

Interestingly he had it up for £4.5k a couple of weeks ago and our friends Shark/Buchanan/Modern Classic/Throttle Shop/Bodgit & Leggit bought it within a minute of him listing it but then never paid, made contact or replied to emails so he filed a non-paying bidder round and put it as a classified.

 

[Eldavo]

Oh - and if anyone wanted it I could arrange it to be transported to my friendly indy's locally who could get the mechanicals tip top for a damn sight less than "darn scarf" prices

 

[Frenchy]

Jase, depends who buys it and carries out the required repairs, your estimates assume that all the work is being farmed out, anyone who is handy with welding and span erring could do it way cheaper than that.
As an aside my ,latest project (92 S2) will stand me less than the asking price for this car all done and pretty minty, that said l have bought it off a mate at mates rates and he knows that it will be going to. good home.

 

[white944]

If you can do all the work yourself it'd cost you 2-3 grand plus a decent professional respray to sort it.

 

[zcacogp]

Thoughts; that's a LOT for a very tatty S2. Have the prices gone stratospheric since I last looked?

Granted the mileage is low but £15k for an all-in price is nuts for an S2. I'd love to believe it, but ....

 

[9four4]

Interestingly he had it up for £4.5k a couple of weeks ago and our friends Shark/Buchanan/Modern Classic/Throttle Shop/Bodgit & Leggit bought it within a minute of him listing it but then never paid, made contact or replied to emails so he filed a non-paying bidder round and put it as a classified.

We don't get involved with CatC/CatD cars. He should have put that on his advert, we wouldn't have wasted his time. We did reply - told him we would not pay because its a write off!!
A BLATANT ATTEMPT TO MAKE ME LOOK BAD THERE. BULLSHIT.

That aside, if was wasn't VCAR, its still too much work. Yeah, you do sills and paint it, replace the engine (worst case), but where do you draw the line making it a nice car again (suspension arms, entire braking system, all your bushes- everything is patina'd or deteriorated beyond the look of your nice paint job.. headlining, carpets, wiring, seized roof, locks, pop ups, clutch, master cyliders, seals, oil coolers, carpets.. the list does not end- whata re you getting involved with?? Its just TOO much I think. Its not a car that been used and just needs paint belts and service..this is start at the beginning stuff, you'd need to do a konsodoken to make this a car again, all that expense and it's still a write off.

No disrespect to your mate eldavo. Best of luck with his sale. But that is why we didn't follow through initially (its VCAR).

EDIT: I see he has not bothered to update his listing that the car is a write off. Deliberated deception right there.

 

[Frenchy]

Modern Classic, my immaculate Turbo S is Cat D would you dismiss it ? NEVER been involved in a shunt or accident, it was serviced early in it's life by a main dealer who had changed the coolant and not re tightened a hose clip, the car lost it's coolant and overheated.
A legal tussle ensued and the car was written off financially as a new engine on a pallet from Porsche was circa 15k plus fitting.
The owner was paid out and the car ended up at a very well known Posche specialist who in turn refitted a completely rebuilt engine and ran the car for a couple of years before selling.
Not all Cat D cars have been through a hedge and landed upside down in a field.
You would spend a long time to find one as straight and clean and mechanically sound.
Unfortunately V Car does not give this sort of detail.

 

[9four4]

True. But if you were selling you would say it was Catd wouldn't you...and not waste your own or other folks time - then say in a public forum the guys time you wasted and struck on ebay was himself the timewaster? Bloody furious.

Frenchy - that sounds like a unique story and if could be explained away and proven by paperwork, would ultimately affect the value of the car outside of the typical rule of thumbs (a damaged car is generally worth 60% of an undamaged equivalent). But still a damaged car will see a high percentage of folk clicking back and not reading any further - sad but that's how it is.. just like the 100,000mile imaginary rule.

 

[Eldavo]

I think Shark fishing is my new favourite hobby

 

[9four4]

I think Shark fishing is my new favourite hobby

That is all you have to say? I just called you out as a bullsh1tter and you accept it. Your mate has proved himself as a liar and economical with the truth, and you are his mate, a bullsh1tter. I bet you have a great time together.. you two would have great career at the bottom end of the motor trade (or in the church).

 

[white944]

Ladies, please!

 

[JaseGT4]

Thanks guys, interesting conversation, hadn't run any checks as I thought it looked like it was worth saving. I'm pretty handy with the spanners etc but no time anymore so was going to hand this over to my trusty specialist. I'll walk away from this now in light of the comments and continue my search, not in a rush so will see what catches my eye.

 

[944Scott]

Speaking of Category cars has anybody looked at the 10k met red one on e bay?

 

[blade7]

Bodgit & Leggit bought it within a minute of him listing it ,

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[9four4]

No flies on me, I miss nothing. So in future when you see one - If it's still available, it means I'm not interested..and if I'm not interested, that means it's not worth your while.

 

[Eldavo]

I think Shark fishing is my new favourite hobby

That is all you have to say? I just called you out as a bullsh1tter and you accept it. Your mate has proved himself as a liar and economical with the truth, and you are his mate, a bullsh1tter. I bet you have a great time together.. you two would have great career at the bottom end of the motor trade (or in the church).

Don't put words into my mouth, I accepted nothing, your usual aggressive tactics won't wash with me.

My friend would've bought the car for spares/to break, he's just a bloke with a passion for Porsche's and retro cars. He's not a fine and upstanding reputable dealer of cars like you are and wouldn't have access to HPI registers and the like at his fingertips - nor would he, or I come to think of it, consider running a report on a car like that in that condition.

Whether you you made him aware of that fact or not remains to be seen, obviously due to the fantastic reputation that you have garnered for yourself over the years (oh, sorry - that wasn't you it was your brother, etc.) you would be keen to protect that and would have informed the seller of your findings?

He says you didn't contact him, you say you did - although he's just texted me to say that it's not CatD as far as he knows and he even tried to list it on AutoTrader as that tells you whether it's CatC or D or not And nothing came up. I have suggested he join the forum to put across his side of things but he has declined so feel free to fire on both barrels with (as yet) unwarranted accusations. The Liar who is uneconomical with the truth has bought and sold CatC and D cars before now and always states that clearly, so if he says that nobody has made him aware of the fact I'm far more inclined to believe him. It probably says more about him than you though that he said if it is CatD then he'll happily amend the listing accordingly.

Whilst you seem to have an intimate knowledge of the bottom end of the motor trade it's not a career that I or my friend have ever considered, should the fields of law and architecture dry up then we'll be in touch for some tips. Given that your only contribution to this forum seems to be awkwardly defending your business by attacking others and "telling it like it is for their own benefit" perhaps you might want to dwell on the responsibilities that come with being a guest of the club?

Mods: As far as I'm concerned, that's the end of it - Ta x

 

[Monkeythree]

No flies on me, I miss nothing. So in future when you see one - If it's still available, it means I'm not interested..and if I'm not interested, that means it's not worth your while.

What a tosser.

 

[wolfie308]

No flies on me, I miss nothing. So in future when you see one - If it's still available, it means I'm not interested..and if I'm not interested, that means it's not worth your while.

What a ****.

Would you Adam and Eve the arrogance of this bloke? How to win friends and influence people.....not!
So in future when you see one(and you hear Sharky's interested), it may well be worth a punt as in no time at all, it would be rolled in glitter, sprinkled with fairy dust and have £5k added to the price tag.