Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon

ORIGINAL: daro911 Looks very expensive compared to OPC 2011 cars [&o]  £38995.00 [link=http://www.yorkshireclassicporsche.co.uk/portfolio/2010-porsche-boxster-spyder]http://www.yorkshireclassicporsche.co.uk/portfolio/2010-porsche-boxster-spyder[/link] 2010 Porsche Boxster Spyder 2010 10 plate Convertible 5,600 miles Manual 3.4 Petrol TOTALLY STUNNING, AS NEW BOXSTER SPYDER. THE ULTIMATE BOXSTER, EXTREMELY RARE IN THE ULTIMATE COLOUR COMBINATION. 80KGS LIGHTER THAN A STANDARD BOXSTER S MAKING IT PORSCHE’S LIGHTEST MODEL, AND WITH 320BHP AND LOWERED FIRMER SUSPENSION YOU WILL STRUGGLE TO FIND A BETTER SPORTS CAR THAN THIS! HUGE SPEC, CD PLAYER, SOUND PACKAGE, AUTO CLIMATE, HARDBACK SPORTS SEATS, PARK ASSIST, COLOURED CENTRE CONSOLE, RUNNING DAYTIME LIGHTS. REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND EYECATCHING CAR.

That one is def not Porsches lightest model lol . What a load of bull.

She would pass the pencil test ....

 

[MrDemon]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan They're straight as a die mate. In fact, you will find it is generally the tyre that causes the need for the wheels to be balanced. Or do you think he may have put a few microns too much paint on one half of the wheel? [8|] []

tyres are made to very high standards these days. So I doubt that. I have (no joking) just in the last 12 months fitted 10 sets of tyres and swapped tyres due to one reason and another. some wheels don't even need weighting, if you fitter has lined up the dots to valves when fitting. I have not seen that many weights bar A known slight buckled wheel I had on a rear which needed weighting out.

 

[rob.kellock]

I have just had a pair of rears on mine. OPC didn't line up dots to valves, they were out by a bit less than a quarter of a turn. Centre crests were also a few degrees out. I have fixed the latter. I had similar types of weights used, approx 50% as are on Andy's. I am afraid I have absolutely no idea what quantity of weights (if any) are within tolerance for any given wheel or why they may be needed!

 

[rob.kellock]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy She would pass the pencil test ....

I just had to look that up. [][][][][] Comedy gold from Team Leichtbau Racing.

 

[flat6]

I just had 4 new boots fitted last week. 3 of the wheels have a fair amount of weights on and one has a small one on. Didn't take much notice of the original weights but do remember seeing some. I can only presume the original weights were put on at the factory as they seem to be painted in the rim colour, as shown below, whereas my new weights are silver like Andy's. Then I was thinking maybe my wheels were painted after the factory and the weights were just painted over. But Brian's <2000 mile example also has the weights in the wheel colour. My wheels were on the original tyres from the factory. So I guess cars can leave the factory with a healthy amount of weights on, rather than being buckled? If they were buckled I would expect the OPC to have tried selling me new wheels after seeing how much weights 3 of them needed with the new tyres.

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan They're straight as a die mate. In fact, you will find it is generally the tyre that causes the need for the wheels to be balanced. Or do you think he may have put a few microns too much paint on one half of the wheel? [8|] []

tyres are made to very high standards these days. So I doubt that. I have (no joking) just in the last 12 months fitted 10 sets of tyres and swapped tyres due to one reason and another. some wheels don't even need weighting, if you fitter has lined up the dots to valves when fitting. I have not seen that many weights bar A known slight buckled wheel I had on a rear which needed weighting out.

Strongly Disagree sorry [8|] Tyres aren't that perfect yet or anywhere near, if what you say was correct then the wheels would be factory balanced (Like a flywheel) and that would be it! No need for balancing after changing tyres. Rubbish sorry! Tyres are not made very evenly, even the most expensive ones. My wheels were stripped and lathe run and run perfectly true. Also if your wheel is buckled it should be binned or repaired not "balanced" out with weights. Too many people on forums trying to spread doom and gloom unnecessarily. My wheels are perfect and I regularly see that many weights, if I change the tyres I'm sure they will need balancing again []

 

[MrDemon]

we will has to disagree then not a problem. I only ever buy Michelin, bar this latest Race Maxx blow out, and I never need a lot of weights. And as I have said, some times even none. And that's taking into account my last 5 cars and 10 sets of tyres all with in 12 months. The buckled wheel was so so slight and I bought it from a dealer and sold it very fast also it was not worth buying a new wheel, it still had less weights on than yours to balance true lol. imo Michelin are so good now, it is just the odd 1 weight needed if the fitter knows what they are doing and they are using a upto date balance machine. to quote Hunter users. "To date we have saved nearly 3,000 ounces of weight. Out of over 4,700 balances, we have very few wheels that we are chasing weights on so our technician productivity is up. ... The combination of road force and the SmartWeight software has helped us to become known as the "problem solver shop" with wheel vibration issues from the surrounding auto repair shops and dealerships. " "I am rapidly approaching my 21st year in the automotive repair industry and I have to say that our new GSP9700 is one of the best equipment purchases I have ever made. SmartWeight has reduced our wheel weight usage by over 40% and we have had no comebacks for wheel balance concerns since installation 3 months ago" There is NO WAY a wheel needs that amount of weight if the right tech is used and oem wheels ie (BBS or the like) on hi end tyres. So if your wheels is 100% true you need to go to better fitters with better kit

 

[kitchens]

Just checked my wheels ...I have heard that the valve has to be positioned near to the DOT. On my Michelin the only DOT is the one stamped out on the tyre wall ,no DOTS are in line with the valve everyone is at different position . What i did note the front tyres where made in 0611 and the rears 0311 and the car is registered 0911. The weights differ as well FOS 2x 10G. FNS 1x15G .ROS 1x 20G RNS 1x15G I have been told it is a red or yellow DOT but can see none on my tyres . I did see it on my previous 987 and inquired at several tyre companies and most had never heard of this ,some said it was an old wife's tale to line it up with the valve.(Do not want to get into a debate only what i was told)[] If your wheel is out of true you should not be chasing it with weights ,you should turn the tyre round on the rim a 1/4 turn and start again .I got my last set of wheels refurbed and that is what the company did there was more metal on them than in Steptoes Yard ,told them to remove the lot and start again and move the rim round a bit at a time that worked .I suggested they should put a mark on every tyre in line with the valve and replace in the same position that would surely work. Any way enough about tyres just lets get out there and enjoy this weather Have done more miles in the last 3 month than the previous owner did in 12 months ,looks like i will have to go back to the insurance company and increase my yearly allowance by double . Brian

 

[MrDemon]

My fitter (local OPC) seemed to know to match the dots which is nice. but this is what Dunlop said on their support forum "Many tyre dealers will match the spot on the tyre so it is next to the valve. However, with improvements in tyre design and balancing machines this is not so important. Hope that helps, Dunlop Marketing Team." Again showing that tyres are so good these days and so are the latest balance machines that you should never need more than 1 or 2 small weights.

 

[jdpef356]

Its back on the market http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/boxster-987-05-12/porsche-boxster-spyder/1372176

 

[jdpef356]

And another http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/boxster-987-05-12/porsche-boxster-987-gen-ii-spyder-2010/1437022

 

[flat6]

If the tyre manufacturer is saying that lining up with the dot is not so important, does that mean just that, not that the tyre will not need much balancing? My wheels left the factory with Michelins (have no gaps in the rim paint since the colour coded weights were removed, so they must be factory applied weights rather than painted over). So Michelins need balancing weights too and the factory fitters are out-putting wheels which a fair amount of weights (not claiming that the factory fitters are the best in the world or have the best balancing machines but you'd like to think they were half decent). Nevertheless, this pic from the Porche gallery shows the same amount of weight on their best prep'd photoshoot Spyder (top of front wheel), as on my car. Both on Michelins and if the position of the dot matters not and they didn't take the press thrashed car with buckled wheels into the photo studio[], then, we'll have to agree to differ as you say, but i'm happy with having the same amount of weights on mine as theirs[8D] Also, a long line of little weights looks worse than the same length of larger weights made up of one or two but there do seem to lots of cars with a similar amount of weight. I don't know where my dots are as they put lashings of tyre dressing on, half of which was up the side of the car by the time I got home[] Brian, glad to hear you're doing more miles than planned. It's time for me to log off and find an excuse to get out in mine before the sun goes down[8D]

 

[MrDemon]

well got the Spyder back, had the same geo put on which I had done on the Cayman R and of course had these bad boys fitted

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon we will has to disagree then not a problem. I only ever buy Michelin, bar this latest Race Maxx blow out, and I never need a lot of weights. And as I have said, some times even none. And that's taking into account my last 5 cars and 10 sets of tyres all with in 12 months. The buckled wheel was so so slight and I bought it from a dealer and sold it very fast also it was not worth buying a new wheel, it still had less weights on than yours to balance true lol. imo Michelin are so good now, it is just the odd 1 weight needed if the fitter knows what they are doing and they are using a upto date balance machine. to quote Hunter users. "To date we have saved nearly 3,000 ounces of weight. Out of over 4,700 balances, we have very few wheels that we are chasing weights on so our technician productivity is up. ... The combination of road force and the SmartWeight software has helped us to become known as the "problem solver shop" with wheel vibration issues from the surrounding auto repair shops and dealerships. " "I am rapidly approaching my 21st year in the automotive repair industry and I have to say that our new GSP9700 is one of the best equipment purchases I have ever made. SmartWeight has reduced our wheel weight usage by over 40% and we have had no comebacks for wheel balance concerns since installation 3 months ago" There is NO WAY a wheel needs that amount of weight if the right tech is used and oem wheels ie (BBS or the like) on hi end tyres. So if your wheels is 100% true you need to go to better fitters with better kit

TOTAL TOSH!! Lets just agree to disagree, unless you can show me how you are qualified to make such judgements??

 

[carreraboy]

1955 550 Spyder Steels would look good .....

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: jdpef356 And another http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/boxster-987-05-12/porsche-boxster-987-gen-ii-spyder-2010/1437022

It says "Bought from 911 Virgin 9 weeks ago. Done 1,000 miles". Does anyone know how much it was advertised for at 911V? At 36,000 miles it's not going to be pristine...

 

[MrDemon]

A nice buy for someone imo who want to get into one at 30k

 

[rob.kellock]

ORIGINAL: kitchens The weights differ as well FOS 2x 10G. FNS 1x15G .ROS 1x 20G RNS 1x15G Brian

Just checked mine. FOS 1 x 10g. FNS 2 x 10g (both from factory). ROS 2 x 10g and 2 x 5g, RNS 2 x 10g and 1 x 5g (both OPC last week). Not much different then. Weather is too nice to be checking wheel weights, I intend to put lots and lots of miles on my Spyder this weekend. MrD - remember you are in the exclusive and rarified atmosphere of PCGB, we'll have no Pistonheads style provocation on here []. Has your Spyder responded to the geo as expected? Double improvement with the new boots for sure.

 

[MrDemon]

both cars way out perform what I am able to get out of them now , so I will have to get more training annoying the Spyder could only get -1.0 where the Cayman got -1.2 on the front, I also fitted 7mm spacers to the R at the front which again helped. tyre wise, it's hard to tell until the release agent is off in a 100 miles or so. (only done 8 miles so far) But they should be awesome, the issue is will only -1.0 be enough on the Spyder, this I can answer Tuesday night as I am on track again in it. I went out in the R with a mate for a blat the other night, it's awesome and like a mini GT3 but better he also has a Cayman and agrees the car just gave you more confidence to push you look where you want to go, the car goes there, the bend get s tighter , you turn the wheel the car gets tighter. my speed are easy 10 to 15 mph higher before on the limit both cars pushed bad, the R more than the Spyder, I hate understeer in a big way , I don't want to have to lift off to get bite, I want the car to go where I say, both do that now. I will book a how fast day and see if I can beat my time I did last year ASAP also. I still feel the oem steel brake set up lacking though, and may do the GT3 master cylinder upgrade and change pads on the R. The PCCB are just amazing and again it's crazy how late you can brake.

 

[rob.kellock]

Best of luck, will be interesting to see how you get on. Would be fascinated to do a back to back comparison at some stage. To be honest, I rarely reach the limits of grip other than on slow corners on track and never deliberately on the road but then I am too tight/skint to be splashing out on tyres, risk averse and lacking in experience/training compared to some. My formative driving years were spent practising smoothness to earn maximum tips driving coaches whilst studying law, not learning the dark arts of lift off oversteer so I am still playing catch up as Andy well knows!!