It's a valid point Darrell and could turn out to be correct. However, if I was asked to hedge my bets I would reluctantly but have to put my money on the Boxster Spyder not becoming a high value classic over the longer term. My guess is that Porsche collectors mainly restrict their palate to 911 derivatives and race cars and the originating 356. It's what is core to the brand recognition and the Boxster and Cayman haven't been given a fair crack of the whip. My guess is that it'll become as collectable as the 916, with a devout following and hold a steady value. But it may not soar in value like if the very same design was 911-based, which is a shame. Similarly, if they put 400BHP in the rumoured new Cayman model, it probably won't soar in value unless they go racing with it and build some pedigree. Collectors buy on intangible stuff like pedigree, despite how good, or bad a car is. Porsche has tried its best not to give the Boxster badge any pedigree, which is a shame because it's a great car[&o]ORIGINAL: DarrellWilsonThere's two separate debates that keep getting mixed up - 1. are all variants of spec desirable and 2. which will attract the highest price in the future. Clearly all variants are desirable and values are becoming stronger across the board, as evidenced by most cars selling quickly and at price levels higher than previous whatever the spec - good news for us all so there's no point in arguing in the margins of this point. The second debate around which spec will attract the highest price in the future then IMHO collectors looking for an investment will pay the big money. They will be seeking out the cars that are closest to the original concept of a lightweight car. The more bells and whistles that are added (not wrongly for those that desire them) will ultimately make the car less desirable for the collector. From a collectors perspective they will not view all Spyders the same due to the significant spec differences that move cars away from the original concept. Therefore the cars that will attract the premium (above a good growth in general values of Spyders) will be those that are closest to the purist spec and with reasonable mileage. I know some will be quick to say I have a vested interest in saying that, I wish I could claim I had been so forward looking in choosing the car I bought but in truth it was the only white one around at the time that was affordable, but I genuinely believe that's how things will work out.ORIGINAL: flat6I agree. Which is why I don't understand why there are so many responses when one person says buckets alone are best etc. when everyone else knows, because they own or have easily sold their preferred spec, that that is not the case (and have responded previously to the same topic, time and again). It's like déjà vu on here sometimes, well, often times[]
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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The turbo completed a 200 mile trip to Birmingham yesterday and today. Was a joy to drive. Stick it in sport mode and the turbos spool up almost instantaneously. If it's to do with the 10 second overboost well 10 seconds is more than plenty in any gear. The thrust in 6th gear for overtaking is still immense and no need to change down. On the way back I reset the trip computer and cruised at a steady speed. The mpg quickly rose over 30mpg but after a couple of miles I got bored so I dont know what it would have peaked at. I didn't bother to check the mpg before I bought it so why check it now[]
]P.S. take for example the GT3 RS 4.0 Some might say is its extra 200cc over a regular RS worth an extra £200K. But to a collector, that 4.0 L engine bore and related uprated parts makes the car a derivative of the most powerful 911 racecars, the RSR. So it's a lot of cachet for a collector to have that level of racing pedigree in the car. Higher than a regular RS and higher than a regular Cup race car. That's the kind of brand value that puts a Porsche on the map no matter how good or bad it is.
I can see the logic in that argument and that may well be the key limiting factor to future values. But I think the uniqueness of the Spyder will still make it desirable to collectors despite its lack of racing pedigree. Interesting you mention RS 4.0, I heard yesterday that a serial collector of fine cars that I know, who bought a RS 4.0 just earlier this year, is now on the hunt for a Spyder to add to his collection. I'll have to find out what is attracting him to the car.
Agree these things will never be BIG collector interest. And for the two reasons above - not a 911 and no race pedigree. Also think there is a bit of a bubble/spike on many interesting Porsche prices that will end at some point.ORIGINAL: flat6It's a valid point Darrell and could turn out to be correct. However, if I was asked to hedge my bets I would reluctantly but have to put my money on the Boxster Spyder not becoming a high value classic over the longer term. My guess is that Porsche collectors mainly restrict their palate to 911 derivatives and race cars and the originating 356. It's what is core to the brand recognition and the Boxster and Cayman haven't been given a fair crack of the whip. My guess is that it'll become as collectable as the 916, with a devout following and hold a steady value. But it may not soar in value like if the very same design was 911-based, which is a shame. Similarly, if they put 400BHP in the rumoured new Cayman model, it probably won't soar in value unless they go racing with it and build some pedigree. Collectors buy on intangible stuff like pedigree, despite how good, or bad a car is. Porsche has tried its best not to give the Boxster badge any pedigree, which is a shame because it's a great car[&o]ORIGINAL: DarrellWilsonThere's two separate debates that keep getting mixed up - 1. are all variants of spec desirable and 2. which will attract the highest price in the future. Clearly all variants are desirable and values are becoming stronger across the board, as evidenced by most cars selling quickly and at price levels higher than previous whatever the spec - good news for us all so there's no point in arguing in the margins of this point. The second debate around which spec will attract the highest price in the future then IMHO collectors looking for an investment will pay the big money. They will be seeking out the cars that are closest to the original concept of a lightweight car. The more bells and whistles that are added (not wrongly for those that desire them) will ultimately make the car less desirable for the collector. From a collectors perspective they will not view all Spyders the same due to the significant spec differences that move cars away from the original concept. Therefore the cars that will attract the premium (above a good growth in general values of Spyders) will be those that are closest to the purist spec and with reasonable mileage. I know some will be quick to say I have a vested interest in saying that, I wish I could claim I had been so forward looking in choosing the car I bought but in truth it was the only white one around at the time that was affordable, but I genuinely believe that's how things will work out.ORIGINAL: flat6I agree. Which is why I don't understand why there are so many responses when one person says buckets alone are best etc. when everyone else knows, because they own or have easily sold their preferred spec, that that is not the case (and have responded previously to the same topic, time and again). It's like déjà vu on here sometimes, well, often times[
Yes, please do because I would be very interested in that. I've no doubt a serial collector will want a Spyder and if they have a wallet for £300K cars, they won't think twice about snapping up one of these brilliant and beautiful cars for what is to them, pocket change. We had a pic of a 4.0 parked next to a Spyder and it didn't look out of place at all.
I think any "petrolhead" who happens to also be a wealthy car collector may have cars of relative low value in their exotic collection for all the right reasons [
] i.e. pride of ownership and thrill to drive [8D] I know a few serious collectors with many millions of pounds worth collections today happy to have cars like Alfa Spider boat-tails & Guilietta Coupes in amongst their Porsche & Ferrari's 
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friends of yours?ORIGINAL: tyinskyTwo ladyboys?ORIGINAL: flat6 Spyder getting all the attention lol
Yeah the big car collections tend to have a wide range of cars and car values. I wonder if they get so bothered about the spec of their smaller cars or if it's just "I'd like to have one of those Spyder thingys". The first Spyder I missed out on a PC Sheffield I was told was sold to a collector abroad. Cars were selling fast but whether that had anything to him to do with him/her swooping in on a black car with sports seats I don't know.ORIGINAL: daro911I think any "petrolhead" who happens to also be a wealthy car collector may have cars of relative low value in their exotic collection for all the right reasons [
Nah, that was me []
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Could be something to do with the fact that outright wins, for Porsche, have been with mid engined cars at Le Mans etc for a very, very long time. The recent top sports cars Carrera GT and the 918 are mid engined. The 911 cult following has made it hard to retire hence its move towards GT positioning in the market. The Boxsters pedigree comes from the mid engined racers back as far as James Deans little machine. Have to say I think it is only a question of time until the Boxster and Cayman in all their forms get proper recognition. It seems strange to me to desire a car with the engine hanging out the back when physics suggest the best place is the middle. The Ferrari Dino, at the time, not even given a Ferrari Badge has done rather well.
I agree that the mid-engined design is the best platform for balance and stability and therefore handling competence. Why Porsche chose to pursue the rear engined design, which does have the advantage of superior RWD traction, I do not know. But Porsche amazingly designed around the disadvantages of rear engined design whilst exploiting its advantages and were very successful and that is their quirk. There are many 911 variants with faster lap times than mid-engined competitors including the Carrera GT, so hats off to them. But they've reached the limits of the design and I think I read in an edition of Porsche Post that Porsche race teams now want a mid-engined Porsche race car, to keep up with the competition in the GT race classes, such as the Ferrari 458 in race trim being hard to beat. We're also pretty confident that Porsche has to limit the power in the Boxster / Cayman so that it doesn't embarrass the bottom of the ladder 911 Carrera. But the fact is they do do that and that hurts the Boxster / Cayman brand. If I could get the performance I was looking for, perhaps I would have taken it in a Cayman shell, but Porsche won't make me one. Or perhaps I would've chosen a 911, to experience Porsche's quirky heritage even if it is a bit scarier on the limit. But right now there's no choice. For general road use, it's disappointing that I can get a Merc or Audi roadster or even a BMW saloon (1M) with more straight line performance than Porsche would allow the 987. Not that I would choose any of those cars. But some people would because the fact that the 987 was superior going around corners means nothing to some but meant everything to me. Nevertheless, sales of Boxster / Cayman, especially Cayman have always been below expectations because Porsche stifles their image to preserve their halo brand car, the 911. The Spyder is the first Boxster to hold significant value I think (but so is the Cayman R) and whether the 987's desirability rests on whether they make a 981 successor I don't know. I'm as big a mid-engined fan as any but Porsche's brand on the street is underpinned by their rear engined legend. However, Porsche have conceded that their future lies in the mid-engined design but rather than bring the Boxster / Cayman to the fore they are developing a car to sit above the 911, in the £250K bracket, to take on the Ferraris, Mclarens etc. I expect that car will go racing too.
I remember last time Porsche thought about this I was adverse to them bringing in a sub-Boxster model and whether they'd be obsessed with making it slower than the Boxster and then buyers of said car crave more power and reckon it'd be better than a Boxster because it is lighter etc etc. (Though they are not obsessed with making the Cayenne and Panamera slower than their sports cars.) But maybe i'd rather they introduce another sports car than a junior Panamera. Although, a junior Panamera would make a great daily driver alongside a Boxster, Cayman or 911 for the weekends and maybe i'd never buy this 718[8|] I dunno... What say you?
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