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DarrellWilson said:
Me too. Scheduled for 23rd July but now moved to 27th August. At least I get an extra PEC experience out of it for free - driving the Boxster GTS next week so at least when I drive the Spyder I can spot how much better the Spyder is. [:D]
I hope is it, the GTS was, well lets say not to my liking.

 
Sandy59 said:
Looks like I'm going for the Turbo S experience as a substitute on the 29th, a bit faster than the Spyder I guess but never mind.

Mr D I'll give you a wave as I pass you in the GT4 down the back straight !!

mmmm :)

 
Mr D what is your colour choice now PTS is off your radar

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Looks like nothing showing in time for the Althorp national event then [8|]

Sorry to hear that, as you chaps with orders in place must be, shall we say, a little disgruntled.

 
Steve Brown said:
Sorry to hear that, as you chaps with orders in place must be, shall we say, a little disgruntled.
I wouldn't say I was disgruntled but having bought Porsche's for over 3 decades this is the first time I can ever recall such lack of any solid information from the powers to be and the facts seem to be a constantly moving target and always moving in the wrong direction for those wanting a car sooner rather than later:ROFLMAO:

Delivery dates move, specification changes from you can't have something to you can and production months beyond 2015 was a total unknown never mind how many cars are going to be produced before pulling the plug[&:]

PTS has apparently delayed those cars 6 months, according to Mr Demon, that means cars will be rolling out the factory well into next year which is completely opposite to what I was originally told when requesting a 2016 build slot closest I could get was a December built car[:'(]

 
So will you keep with your PTS for a mid 16 delivery date ?

It does seem a bit mad getting a delivery date of Oct/Nov, for the car to be sat in the garage over the winter months.

This is my first new Porsche purchase for some time, but it all seems very un German with the constant uncertainty and changes.

I guess we just roll with the punches knowing there is a special car at the end [:)]

Looks like the PEC is going to be my second home over the coming months.

997 GT3 RS next week

911 GTS over the National weekend

Spyder late August (If it shows up !)

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

 
Boxster7 said:
So will you keep with your PTS for a mid 16 delivery date ?

It does seem a bit mad getting a delivery date of Oct/Nov, for the car to be sat in the garage over the winter months.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Every delivery delay makes my day I have no need of the car until the better weather months so yes I will be keeping PTS for sure [;)]

 
daro911 said:
Mr D what is your colour choice now PTS is off your radar

No idea what or when I am getting my car now or what colour, Mexcio Blue WAS LOCKED in but with the delay I said HOW can it be. I am not saying what colour my new spec is :) will be a surprise, (even to me atm lol ) but not many standard colours to guess at ;-P

If it's locked and no change it's Mexcio blue and now arriving FEB.

 
"How does the new Spyder stack up to the old Spyder? Long story short, the new one’s a much different animal. Long story long, the previous 987 Boxster Spyder is one of those cars we still whisper about. In terms of handling it was just about as ideal as production cars come. Read more: [link=http://www.motortrend.com/new_cars/04/porsche/boxster/]http://www.motortrend.com/new_cars/04/porsche/boxster/[/link]

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"Much less substantially, I don’t think the Spyder is much of a looker. The double bubble tonneau looks hefty and odd, while the slab sides make it look more like a paperweight "

 
Mr Demon thanks for posting the few quibbles and no thanks for leaving off all the hard core facts & good points :ROFLMAO:

[h2]2016 Porsche Boxster Spyder First Drive[/h2][h3]California King: Porsche Celebrates the Golden State’s Great Drought with the 2016 Boxster Spyder[/h3]
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The last-generation Porsche Boxster Spyder had a two-piece “bikini” top that took what seemed like 30 minutes to erect. It was needlessly complex as well as ridiculous. This one, the brand-new 2016 model, has a one-piece top that only eats about a minute of your life. It is still unnecessarily complex (good luck with those hidden release buttons), but compared to the last Boxster Spyder, this top is child’s play. Plus, removing all the power mechanisms and adding an aluminum cover saves a whole bunch of weight. But see, if you live in California like me, who cares? The only upside to our historic statewide drought is there’s never any rain. Leave the top dropped! Things we care about when it comes to the latest Spyder from Porsche start and end with the six horizontally opposed pistons seated just behind your butt. The 3.8-liter boxer engine is lifted right out of the 911 Carrera S and then flipped 180 degrees. The big numbers: 375 horsepower and 310 lb-ft of torque. Why is the power down 25 ponies and the twisting force reduced by 15 lb-ft? Because it’s harder to get air into the center of a car than it is to get it to the rear. Different intake plumbing robs power and doesn’t allow for the optional power pack kit that boosts the Carrera S up to 430 hp. However, the Spyder makes 45 more hp and 30 extra lb-ft of torque compared to the 3.4-liter boxer-six in the GTS. Porsche’s claiming a 0-60 time of 4.3 seconds, but I feel that’s oddly conservative. My guess is 4 seconds flat, or less, especially because the Carrera S can do the deed in 3.7 seconds, and the Spyder’s about 300 pounds lighter. Although as the Spyder is manual only and the 911 I’m talking about had PDK (Porsche’s lightening quick dual-clutch transmission, Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe if you’re not into that whole brevity thing), the former might not dip under the 4-second barrier. We’re just going to have to test it to find out.Porsche claims the removal of soundproofing and insulation — along with some fairly extensive aluminum, magnesium, and plastic polymer construction — means the Spyder weighs just 2,900 pounds, which is less than the base Boxster. However, a little Porsche birdie told me that’s not actually the case — just wishful marketing. Again, when we weigh one, you’ll know. For now, know that the base 2.7-liter manual Boxster is 3,040 pounds when sitting on our scales. I guess Porsche’s 2,899-pound claim was made with no gas in the tank. Speaking of gas and tanks, the Spyder has a smaller tank than the GTS, 13.3 gallons compared to 16.9. I noticed the range on the Spyder seemed a little short for a Boxster. The smaller tank is standard to save weight, but the larger tank is a no-cost option. If you’re really worried about weight, I advise you to get the larger tank and only fill it three-quarters of the way most of the time. Have a peek at the EPA numbers: 18 city, 24 highway for the Spyder. Trust me, the bigger tank is worth the weight penalty.The new Spyder is quite the Frankenstein’s monster of Zuffenhausen. Aside from its engine, the Carrera S also contributes its steel brakes — just like it does for the GT4 — and of course carbon-ceramic discs with Porsche’s telltale yellow calipers are a pricey option. The Boxster/Cayman GTS also contributes parts to the Spyder, specifically the car’s suspension. Remember that the Cayman GT4 uses the front suspension from the GT3 and the rear setup from the GTS. The Boxster Spyder, however — and this gets a little confusing — uses the optional X73 sport suspension (basically a 20mm drop in ride height) from the GTS, though the rear spring rates have been lessened to cope with the extra power. The Spyder also uses the same gear ratios as the GTS. Like the GT4, the Spyder is manual transmission only. Oh, and one more stud in the Porsche stable contributes an ingredient to the Spyder stew. In the U.S., should you opt for the carbon-fiber bucket seats, they’re straight out of the 918 Spyder. Cool, huh?And so? Now that the Boxster has 911 power (and a power-to-weight ratio better than the 911’s) what’s it like to drive? Intoxicating. And beastly! Ferocious and concussive, too. I’ve never before had my head bang off a Boxster’s seat while shifting gears, but here we are. The Spyder is also as balanced, poised, and neutral as this generation Boxster ever has been. The brakes (they’re also off the Carrera S) are magnificent, as potent as any sport car’s. Perfect pedal feel, for real. Forget about them carbon-ceramics. Put the $9,000 into high-performance track instruction. Especially because when you’re in Sport or Sport Plus modes, the traction and stability control are loosened up to where a liberal right foot results in instant, tail-out oversteer. I should say, easily correctible oversteer. Moreover, the nanny systems will eventually catch you. But the allowed degree of slippage is such that you can actually beat the computers to the punch by correcting with countersteer. Those sorts of shenanigans are the most smile-inducing.There’s a whole array of happy face-making good points on the new Spyder. The sounds this thing makes, for one. I’ve driven the 911 Carrera S Cabriolet, and while the two share the same motor, they sure make radically different soundtracks. The Boxster Spyder does a pretty good Jaguar F-Type R impersonation. Not quite as devilish as the big cat, but you get buckets of badda badda bap! overrun every single time you come off the throttle. Porsche’s exhaust guys did a more than commendable job. Speaking of soundtrack, the stereo is also surprisingly good. The next time you find yourself driving between Pisa and Florence, Italy in a roadster, may the Beastie Boys’ “Check Your Head” sound as crisp and as sweet. The stereo, like the air-conditioning, is an option. And seeing as how both are no-cost options, I can’t imagine the masochist who would opt out of either. The final big smile-maker is really just a combination of everything that makes the Spyder so good; I highly recommend aiming this car toward long tunnels. What a thrill, what a screaming, high-velocity thrill. An addendum if I may — the steering wheel, which features no buttons of any sort and is wrapped in Alcantara — is the best on any Porsche.How does the new Spyder stack up to the old Spyder? Long story short, the new one’s a much different animal. Long story long, the previous 987 Boxster Spyder is one of those cars we still whisper about. In terms of handling it was just about as ideal as production cars come, in the same vein as the old Mazda RX8 R3. Nearly anonymous, and too pure for its own good. But of course the gripe (besides the top) was that the old car was underpowered. And of course the conspiracy theorists surmised that Porsche purposely neutered the Boxster (and Cayman) to protect the 911. The new Spyder and Cayman GT4 blow that theory to hell. But I am compelled to point out that the new Boxster just isn’t as sweet to drive as the previous generation, regardless of the specification. The same is true for the Cayman. They’re more muscular now, thicker, less flexible. In NFL terms, the 981 version is more a strong safety than a free one. There’s no doubt in my mind that the new Spyder will butcher the old one on any track you can name. Speaking of which, Porsche says the new Spyder ran around the Nürburgring’s Nordschleife circuit in 7 minutes, 47 seconds. That time is bonkers quick for a car with less than 400 — let alone less than 500 — horsepower. But are Boxsters about lap times? Have they ever been?That last part leads us to my only substantive critique of the Spyder, as well as the GTS before it. Second gear is too damn tall. At 6,500 rpm, I saw an observed 76 mph, and the snarling, barking, firecracker-hucking 3.8-liter flat-six happily revs out past 7,000 rpm. The whole point of a manual transmission is the joy you get from shifting it. Porsche has once again made a Boxster that you don’t need to shift while tackling your favorite canyon road. It’s just weird. Are they making manual cars for people compelled to purchase standard transmissions out of some sort of faux machismo but who in reality don’t want to deal with actually rowing their own? I’d say the answer is more than maybe.Much less substantially, I don’t think the Spyder is much of a looker. The double bubble tonneau looks hefty and odd, while the slab sides make it look more like a paperweight than, say, the 718 RS60 Spyder that Porsche’s making a tenuous ancestral association to. Hey, they’re the ones that parked one smack in front of our hotel, not me. Going with that theme, all the press materials rather shamelessly mention the original 550 Spyder (the car James Dean died in) and how the 2016 model is a direct descendent. But it’s not. Look, they removed the inside door handles and replaced them with fabric straps to ostensibly save weight, yet they left both vanity mirrors on the sun visors. How hardcore is the Boxster Spyder supposed to be? After all, it’s 2015. Historically we’ll look back at this year as the one right before autonomous cars took over. Does anyone actually want an extreme sports car? Honestly? Porsche’s stating no, not really.Still, those quibbles aside, the new Spyder is a glorious, shrieking, joy buzzer of a beast of a roadster. My advice is to stock up on sunscreen. You’re going to need it.

 
This seems like a fairly balanced review

[h1]Porsche Boxster Spyder review[/h1]
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[blockquote] Porsche Boxster Spyder is powered by a normally aspirated 3.8-litre flat six motor[/blockquote][ul][*]
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[*]You’ll probably remember the previous[link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsche-boxster-spyder-makes-its-new-york-motor-show-debut] Porsche Boxster Spyder.[/link] It was the particularly pretty one with an ugly, fiddly canvas roof that had to be raised and lowered by hand, the removal of its operating mechanism being part of a comprehensive weight loss programme that shaved around 80kg from the cooking model.

It received a new engine, too, in the shape of the 3.4-litre flat six from the [link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/cayman-2005-2013]Cayman S[/link], so it revved a little more enthusiastically than the standard unit. Problem was, it was only slightly more powerful than the cheaper Boxster S, and as [link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche]Porsche[/link] had gone to the trouble of stiffening the chassis, the car still felt like it might make good use of yet more power.

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[/link] [h2][link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/users/nic-cackett]Nic Cackett[/link][/h2]Road tester Pitched onto the Italian equivalent of a B-road, the Spyder bites down like no Boxster before it Five years later and the manufacturer has endeavoured not to repeat the same mistakes with this new version. Firstly, while there’s still a manual fabric roof to open and close, the hood is simpler and semi-automatic in its fastening - saving you from all the fuss of unfurling it like a newbie [link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-reviews/caterham]Caterham[/link] owner.

Secondly, and most notably, Porsche has decided to drop the larger capacity 3.8-litre flat six from the [link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/911]current 911 Carrera S[/link] into the Spyder’s belly, a fitment already perfected in the [link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/cayman-gt4]Cayman GT4[/link].

At 370bhp, it’s 45bhp more powerful than a 3.4-litre [link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/boxster-gts]Boxster GTS[/link] and only 10bhp shy of the GT4. It’s the most powerful [link=http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/boxster]Boxster[/link] yet, and will be for the foreseeable future (a racier version was discussed but the idea was dropped). Almost as importantly, it shares the GT4’s proper six-speed manual gearbox and gets the same front and rear end.

[*]What it doesn’t have are all the trick underbody elements that made that car a product of Porsche’s GT motorsport division. Instead, much as before, the Spyder is lowered by 20mm on the same firmed-up passive sports suspension that’s already available as an option on the GTS - only a tweaked rear anti-roll bar differentiates the two.

[*]Elsewhere, it gets the bigger brakes that were previously the preserve of the 911, and has a faster steering ratio to go with its marginally smaller steering wheel.

By default, the inside is as spartan as the outside is fabulously pretty. At 1315kg, the Spyder is not only lighter than a GTS but it’s also marginally skinnier than a GT4. Some of this weight loss is clearly accounted for by the stripped-back roof and the requirement for you to do the heavy lifting, folding and lid slamming yourself (a doddle - but a two minute, walk-around one). Some of it, though, is in the doctoring or deletion of kit.

When it comes to the marvelous slimline bucket seats and fabric door pulls, that’s a good thing, but when it means the removal of the infotainment and the air conditioning, it's less so. Returning them is a no-cost option (mercifully) although it does come with the guilt-laden acceptance of a 15kg weight penalty.

Nevertheless, doing so is recommended, especially as, initially, the Spyder makes little discernible virtue of its abstinence. Lighter on the scales it may well be, but as it requires more heft at the smaller wheel, a leg-press thrust to operate the clutch and dogged determination to engage a gear, it’s clear that Porsche’s idea of unfiltered driving pleasure doesn’t necessarily translate into an immediate ease of use.

Unexpectedly, this extends to the acceleration. Torquier the new motor may very well be - to the healthy tune of 45lb ft over the GTS - but the nature of the flat-six is unchanged, which means you won’t see the 310lb ft peak until nearly 5000rpm is showing on the tachometer.

In and around town, and even on the tight Tuscan switchbacks of our test route, a shortage of space and the gearbox’s longish ratios mean you’ll be lucky to encounter the engine’s tastier sweet spot.

Consequently, just as the Spyder’s salacious body wants for a backdrop of unbroken blue, so its underside hankers for the sweep and surge of wide open spaces. Here, starting on the autoroute, the 3.8 begins to roll out its charm. The standard Boxster knee-jerk shift into fifth for outside lane overtaking is all but redundant, the sixth cog now producing a steady stream of energy on request.

[*]It gets better. Pitched onto the Italian equivalent of a B-road, the Spyder bites down like no Boxster before it. Here the steering reveals its additional meatiness to not be meatiness at all, but rather a honed and carefully hewn rack that allows bends to be skewered with tiny, ego-flattering wrist movements.

The ride, inevitably a little pinched around town, settles where it is permitted into a wonderfully controlled ebb and flow, seamlessly connected to the road, yet resistant to anything that might unsettle its stellar body control.

[*]Then there’s the power. Yes, it makes the Spyder fast. Fast in that cheek-puffing way that no Boxster has ever managed. Fast in hugely loud, high-rev moreish doses. Fast enough, in fact, to make the mere seven-second difference between the open-top’s Nordschleife time and the Cayman GT4’s seem entirely reasonable.

But the real boon is the enriching effect it has on the Boxster's chassis, where a suddenly biddable and gung-ho back-end is helped no end by it wearing 265-section tyres in place of the GT4’s 295s, and becomes a far more interactive part of the cornering equation.

[*]That this is the best Porsche Boxster you can buy is hardly in question; whether it’s the best Boxster for you may be the more pertinent one.

The Spyder is harder to live with than the GTS, thirstier and, of course, more expensive. The GTS can be had with PASM adaptive dampers, is nearly as fast in everyday driving and doesn’t require you to get out to put the roof back on. It is unarguably a more usable car.

But when the occasion presents itself, the meaner, leaner, faster and much, much prettier Spyder is worth the strife in our book. A Cayman GT4 without a roof? Not quite. Although being as close as it gets is more than good enough.

[*]Porsche Boxster Spyder

Price £60,459; Engine 6 cyls horizontally opposed, 3800cc, petrol; Power 370bhp at 6700rpm; Torque 310lb ft at 4750-6000rpm; Kerb weight 1315kg; Gearbox 6-spd manual; 0-62mph 4.5sec; Top speed180mph; Economy 28.5mpg (combined); CO2/tax band 230g/km, 37%

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Slightly off topic, but does anyone know the max speed achievable with the 987 Spyder on the Silverstone GP circuit, I'm assuming it's above the recommended top speed for the roof at 124 MPH ?? Has anyone been above this speed with the roof on ??

 
Daro, you're making me want one alongside my coupe[:)]

I think there's no doubt it's going to be the perfect open top Porsche. I think given its use, it makes a better buy than say a Carrera cabriolet and I don't mean in monetary terms.

Sandy, tyinsky has posted on here before about his top speed roof on. I think it started 14x but I could be wrong. Hopefully he'll be along soon.

 
I did way over 124mph on my Spa trip last year by mistake, the roof stayed on. But AT Silverstone in the summer, roof off :)

 
I hate that review lol talks about bollocks on the old car, new engines stiffer chassie neither of which it had

then on the new car says it has power

"Then there’s the power. Yes, it makes the Spyder fast. Fast in that cheek-puffing way that no Boxster has ever managed"

but then states

"The GTS is nearly as fast in everyday driving"

and last the new "semi-automatic" roof which is infact manual.

and " Here the steering reveals its additional meatiness to not be meatiness at all" I am lost on that one

as I have said, great car bad reviews.

 
H14PDB said:
Wonder when EVO will get around to publishing a review.

today :) although steering not as good as the GT4 seems to be the low point.

[link=http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/boxster-spyder/16347/porsche-boxster-spyder-review-does-the-ultimate-boxster-make-for-a-gt4]http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/boxster-spyder/16347/porsche-boxster-spyder-review-does-the-ultimate-boxster-make-for-a-gt4[/link]

 

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