Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[Sandy59]

In reply to Mr D :

I guess there's couple of things to also consider here, 1) Fun could be regarded as being a bit subjective, and 2) I believe your 987.2 has been tweaked somewhat from standard ??

I could ask if the standard car is so good, then why did it need tweaking to satisfy your needs, and maybe if the new car was tweaked it would also be a different drive ??

Anyway having had a standard set up 987.2 Spyder for a year I did think it was really good fun, I had it on track a couple of times too which was very enjoyable even though I'm probably a pretty tame track driver in the scheme of things.

But to pick up on one of your points on the new one, I also pushed the 987.2 to and what I thought was beyond it's limits and guess what - nothing happened !!

On the 987.2 engine I don't really remember it having any real WOW factor for me either although it went well enough so no complaints.

I've only really driven the new one in anger at Porsche PEC, but I have to say it was great fun for me, very agile and pointy with a great sounding engine/exhaust note.

I've only done about 150 tame miles in my new one but even at tame speeds I find it quite fun, the quick steering is really nice on roundabouts etc so far.

Now on the steering I will concede I preferred the feel from the 987.2 system, there's no doubt it did give you more info through your hands, but I can't say the 981 steering is poor, is it different though.

I once posted elsewhere I'd had great fun driving the 991 GT3 with PDK(s), but it seems many people argue that can't be true as it's not a manual, I still stick by this but don't really want to start that up again !!

Anyway I'm pretty sure I'm going to have as much fun as I want to have in the new Spyder, so no regrets so far on changing from the 987. I understand others may well feel different and that's fine, it wouldn't really be much fun if we all felt the same would it.

 

[spyderwhite]

My 987.1 Cayman S was more fun than my 986s Boxster but that is not to say the 986s was not a fun car to drive! I test drove a CR when they first hit our shores but found it no more fun or quicker than my 987.1 cs !

My Spyder was fun more so than my previous cars but is it more fun than a regular 987.2 BS on passive dampers ?probably not,but my PEC day with the Gt4 proved much more fun and imo the new spyder/gt4 will prove a lot more fun for many than the previous spyder/cr and I for one will not miss the 987.2 spyder and think of the gt4 as less fun infact I said to the wife the other I can see myself driving it a lot more than I ever did the Spyder!

The problem with the old spyder/cr is they lacked power/torque in the lower mid range and in a straight line pulling hard in 2nd and 3rd even a Ford Fiesta/focus st. would have no trouble keeping up although a few car lengths behind!So the new cars have addressed this and imo will prove a lot more fun because they get the power they should have got in the first place!

Personally anyone who is getting a new spyder won't be thinking I wish I kept the old one as it was more fun!

 

[daro911]

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[daro911]

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[h1]Viper Green 2016 Porsche Boxster Spyder Is a Nod to Retro 911s[/h1]By Andrei Tutu | 2015-12-21 21:30 GMT

⌖ Porsche's 2016 Boxter Spyder is rare enough on its own, but when an owner decides to dress his artfully-penned Zuffenhausen machine in a hue such as Viper Green, things become uber-exclusive. This Boxster Spyder was recently spotted in Essen, Germany (pictures via [link=http://www.autogespot.de/porsche-981-boxster-spyder/2015/11/28]Autogespot[/link]). Despite the vehicle having quite a visual aura, it's obvious the lighting setup isn't ideal for showcasing the Spyder. Then again, given the fact that this open-top, mid-engined Porsche bowwors its 3.8-liter flat-six from the 911 Carrera S, seeing it wearing a color we'd normally associate with, say, a 1973 911 Carrera RSR 2.8, only seems natural (no atmospheric engine pun intended). Speaking of how rare the Spyder incarnation of the 987 Boxster is, we'll zoom in on the US market and tell you Porsche only expects about five percent of the Boxsters it sells to come in this configuration. And it's not difficult to see why. That's because the Boxster Spyder targets the kind of customer who wants to go extremely fast, but won't turn to a Cayman GT4. This isn't the kind of Porsche one buys to show off. Not when it comes with a third pedal and a roof you'll have to operate by hand (what? this saves 24 lbs/11 kg compared to the one you get in a normal Boxster). While the Boxster Spyder has been in the shadow of the Cayman GT4 and the 911 GT3 RS ever since its launch, the open air pleasures it provides can also be seen as throwback to the wind-in-your-hair Porsches in the carmaker's history. And once Porsche releases the mid-cycle rework for the Boxster and Cayman, these 911-engined machines will only become even more valuable. For those of you who have been disconnected from the internet, we'll mention next year's mid-engine Porsches will receive the 718 moniker alongside their current names, signaling the adoption of turbocharged flat-fours

 

[woodstock]

interesting - the wing mirrors are all green, presumably an 'exclusive' option that is not on the config !

 

[daro911]

interesting - the wing mirrors are all green, presumably an 'exclusive' option that is not on the config !

Maybe its included as part of the PTS option [&:]

 

[jdpef356]

Just looking at the Viper Green and blue car above.

Prime locations were chosen for the shots! I don't think!

 

[Boxster7]

I believe from what I've read, that you treat the film like the rest of the paint work, so wax polish etc.. As normal.

The film edges are the only thing that worries me a bit. I think the sills should be good, but not so sure about the bumper.... All will be revealed tomorrow I guess.

So did you have the film on the front bumper, both wings, wing mirrors and bonnet? Any way you can get some pictures of the edges?..

Thanks,

Phil

I had the film applied to the front bumper, mirrors and sills/rear air intakes only.

So not wings or bonnet.

I will try and get some pics up to show you where you can see the edges over the next few days.

cheers

 

[MrDemon]

In reply to Mr D :

I guess there's couple of things to also consider here, 1) Fun could be regarded as being a bit subjective, and 2) I believe your 987.2 has been tweaked somewhat from standard ??

I could ask if the standard car is so good, then why did it need tweaking to satisfy your needs, and maybe if the new car was tweaked it would also be a different drive ??

Anyway having had a standard set up 987.2 Spyder for a year I did think it was really good fun, I had it on track a couple of times too which was very enjoyable even though I'm probably a pretty tame track driver in the scheme of things.

But to pick up on one of your points on the new one, I also pushed the 987.2 to and what I thought was beyond it's limits and guess what - nothing happened !!

On the 987.2 engine I don't really remember it having any real WOW factor for me either although it went well enough so no complaints.

I've only really driven the new one in anger at Porsche PEC, but I have to say it was great fun for me, very agile and pointy with a great sounding engine/exhaust note.

I've only done about 150 tame miles in my new one but even at tame speeds I find it quite fun, the quick steering is really nice on roundabouts etc so far.

Now on the steering I will concede I preferred the feel from the 987.2 system, there's no doubt it did give you more info through your hands, but I can't say the 981 steering is poor, is it different though.

I once posted elsewhere I'd had great fun driving the 991 GT3 with PDK(s), but it seems many people argue that can't be true as it's not a manual, I still stick by this but don't really want to start that up again !!

Anyway I'm pretty sure I'm going to have as much fun as I want to have in the new Spyder, so no regrets so far on changing from the 987. I understand others may well feel different and that's fine, it wouldn't really be much fun if we all felt the same would it.

Some good points.

lets take the 991 GT3 1st as I know a few people who have sold them on saying, they did nothing for them ie. less fun and just felt like a 991 with a nice engine, usable every day but lacked any wow after a few months.

So we have people selling on 991 GT3's because they were less fun(coming from a older GT3 car), has nothing to do with PDK as said owners have other PDK cars which are more fun. mods to the car, well I only modded mine after 2 years because I wanted to keep it and to dial in a car is a nice feeling, plus on track it was killing outters on my tyres.

yes you can add GT4 LCA to the Spyder if one wants to track it, but on the road no point.

which brings me back to the road, and some points from Spyderwhite about performance, you don't get the 964 boys moaning about a Ford hot hatch being faster do you ! is that an issue ?, the Spyder is way way fast enough and that 3.4 is a sweet unit which revs right out to red line.

you have seen my little trip on a B road, I am never on throttle for more than a few seconds, any one who says the 987.2 car is too slow is well not keeping their foot in long enough ;-) and it would eat a 964 so is it too slow ?

[link=https://youtu.be/NUXq8r-BD4o]https://youtu.be/NUXq8r-BD4o[/link]

now some people here say that's reckless speed, but then the same people say the 987.2 car is NOT fast enough !!!

Of course the noise is fixed on my older car because of the manafolds I have fitted, but it still switchable to a quite mode (that vid the mic is at the exhaust btw)

if that is reckess at 85 leptons you will be doing 100 leptons In a GT4 or 981 Spyder 1 handed and doing the same road with ease far faster, and there lies the issue the newer car IS a better car but being a better car takes a lot away from the FUN of driving and what speeds you NOW have to do to get to it.

the steering is said to be the best of Porsche atm with the GT4, better than the GT3 and Spyder but it's not a patch on my 987.2 car, while it's ok it's just not as good and with zero feedback for road surface much harder to drive In the wet.

One big thing I noticed when driving my Spyder Sunday was I could tell what the road surface was when it changed, no chance in the Gt4 bar doing it by noise and ear.

I love my GT4 and people will love their new Spyders, but I don't think any of use will be having more fun in the newer cars than the older one, unless you start pushing the limits on UK roads which means really >110mph because the cars are so good it swallows up the road and pace.

So I will admit with all these reviews that the new car is a better car, but better is NOT always a good thing :-(

I am not pissing on any ones chips here as I have just spunked £75k on my GT4 which has all the same points and that's £75k I did not really have for a car, but as it's worth more than list it was worth the risk after waiting 2 years for it.

Again I WILL POST they are GREAT CARS and BETTER CARS but imo not as fun cars ! there have been PCGB members here who have turned down these new cars remember after driving them and seeing they are less fun !

 

[daro911]

[link=http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/boxster/981-boxster-spyder-for-sale-793]http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/boxster/981-boxster-spyder-for-sale-793[/link]

£79.9K (£65k List OTR) example for sale today not a very highly specced example and someone has nicked the Spyder badge off rear deck

This 2015 Boxster Spyder ticks every possible buyer requirement. Finished in elegant GT Silver with Red leather trim, our Spyder is supplied with Heated Sports Bucket Seats, Switchable Sports Exhaust and more to bring out the ultimate driving delight. Offered in as-new condition, this car must be seen to be appreciated!

981 Boxster Spyder • Originally Supplied By Porsche Centre Reading • GT Silver • Spyder Classic Interior Package • Black Convertible Top • 6 Speed Manual Transmission • Sports Bucket Seats • Switchable Sport Exhaust • Heated Seats • 20” Boxster Spyder Design Alloys • Wheels Painted In Satin Platinum • Cruise Control • Air conditioning • Automatic Dimming Mirrors • Net-Type Wind Deflector • 64 Litre Fuel Tank

 

[MrDemon]

It's a shame we have so many flippers on all these cars now :-(

when you say "not highly specced " it's got what you would want imo, whats missing ?

PCM was a mistake on my order, it's so dated whish I never ordered it vs the new Apple play Porsche units.

 

[daro911]

PCM was a mistake on my order, it's so dated whish I never ordered it vs the new Apple play Porsche units.

PCM on Porsche used car locator 981 Boxsters for example over 120 cars excluding 50 dealer demo's and 95% have PCM [&:]

Too many sub £20k cars today come with Sat Nav as standard kit or in a priced to sell pack so a £60k plus car without it no matter how bad could prove to be a hard sell imo

 

[H14PDB]

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[CLIFFWILKINS]

These so-called flippers or after market specialist are having a laugh with the prices they are marking cars up for.

More fool any one for paying these outrageous prices I most certainly would not pay no more than I could buy one new for.

Another question I would like answered how come specialists are getting these cars with delivery mileage only, seems to be a fiddle going on somewhere. Porsche say they won't sell cars to specialist to mark up for higher prices yeah right.

There are geniune enthusiasts loyal customers and club members not even given a chance to purchase these so called special models.

Something is not right.

 

[MrDemon]

when money is involved there is always a fiddle, that's life :-(

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

Aint that the truth.

 

[jdpef356]

You have never both spoken the truth, and to prove it take a look at this for a real Christmas Fiddle[8|]

[link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxvtyr-blm8[/link]

 

[daro911]

when money is involved there is always a fiddle, that's life :-(

Lead by the front line to the trough from most our our so called "leaders / MP's"

[link=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/conservative-mps-expenses/]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/conservative-mps-expenses/[/link]

 

[TB303]

Some good points.

I love my GT4 and people will love their new Spyders, but I don't think any of use will be having more fun in the newer cars than the older one, unless you start pushing the limits on UK roads which means really >110mph because the cars are so good it swallows up the road and pace.

So I will admit with all these reviews that the new car is a better car, but better is NOT always a good thing :-(

I am not ****ing on any ones chips here as I have just spunked £75k on my GT4 which has all the same points and that's £75k I did not really have for a car, but as it's worth more than list it was worth the risk after waiting 2 years for it.

Again I WILL POST they are GREAT CARS and BETTER CARS but imo not as fun cars ! there have been PCGB members here who have turned down these new cars remember after driving them and seeing they are less fun !

Your issue is that you hammer the same points home until someone will agree with you.

The hydraulic rack is considered better. The 981 Spyder steering is brilliant in its own right however, and I'm personally looking forward to taking both cars out with Daro911 and driving them back to back to properly compare.

The thing you miss is that it's about the overall package. I didn't buy a 987.2 Spyder because I didn't like the roof / overall package. Loved the way the car drove (the Cayman R even more to be honest, but wasn't impressed by the motorway drone), though. That's just my opinion. Many loved it as it was, and that's OK!

Every car is a compromise, and I don't feel like the 981 Spyder is a massive compromise for me.

I love the way it drives and actually like the steering! I was expecting the steering to be poor because of people like you hammering the point home 24/7! It will be interesting to see if I can still say that driving them back to back with the 987 fresh in my mind.

Perhaps you can begin to accept that other people enjoy their 981s!

 

[MrDemon]

People like me meaning people who love cars/driving and a bit disappointed with the steering over older models !

If you read my post people will enjoy them, I said I like my Gt4 (love even), But are they MORE FUN and the simple answer to that is NO.

I don't dislike the steering, but it's not as good, that's just a simple fact, and as steering a car is quite a big part of driving it's now less fun to steer it !