ATP Electronics - any experience?

[Monkeythree]

One of my learnings from Rutland was that I need to refresh or replace my air flow meter. Given that new ones are pretty pricey, I opened mine up to see how easy it is to do the trick of bending the wiper arm to put the contacts on a fresh track. Answer - not easy.
So I've been doing a bit more research and found a place in the Midlands called ATP Electronics who offer a remanufacturing service. They've quoted me £195 to bring it back to "as new" performance. Has anyone gone down this route and able to provide some feedback on the supplier? I'm slightly worried that I might pay £195 for them to do nothing more than bending the wiper arm............

 

[blade7]

It's not hard to reposition the wiper on the track, if there is an undamaged area for it to sweep over I'd try that first. There's a guide online.

 

[andy watson]

Hi Tom,

I bought a Bosch factory refurbished AFM on an exchange basis from Promax, worth a call to see if still available, give Andy a call.

it was £213 + Vat, but that was in 2010, transformed the car.

 

[hotblack944]

It's not hard to reposition the wiper on the track, if there is an undamaged area for it to sweep over I'd try that first. There's a guide online.

FR Wilks' domain registration has lapsed, so I've just fixed the link on my list here: http://forums.tipec.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1904&p=151766#p151766 to point to an archive of the rebuild procedure.

Here's a link straight to it.

AFM rebuild guide: http://web.archive.org/we...p://the944.com/afm.htm

 

[Monkeythree]

It's not hard to reposition the wiper on the track, if there is an undamaged area for it to sweep over I'd try that first. There's a guide online.

I've read the guides and studied youtube videos but what you don't see/read is that there are 3 contact points for the wiper on a track about 5mm wide. The wiper tracks pretty centrally from the factory so what's left at the edges to reposition onto is next to nothing. I have asked ATP if their remanufacture includes a new resistor track but their answer was vague.

 

[Monkeythree]

Hi Tom,

I bought a Bosch factory refurbished AFM on an exchange basis from Promax, worth a call to see if still available, give Andy a call.

it was £213 + Vat, but that was in 2010, transformed the car.

Thanks Andy

 

[Kongsodoken]

You can buy brand new for £280 so why pay £200 for a repair ?
abailable from Germany no exchange needed

 

[944 man]

Hi Tom,

I bought a Bosch factory refurbished AFM on an exchange basis from Promax, worth a call to see if still available, give Andy a call.

it was £213 + Vat, but that was in 2010, transformed the car.

Unfortunately not. Porsche coerced Bosch into recalling all of the refurbs in the supply chain and theyre now only available through your OPC at a price that you will not believe.

 

[944 man]

You can buy brand new for £280 so why pay £200 for a repair ?
abailable from Germany no exchange needed

Ken, you mentalist/legend! Do you have details? I have tried to search German sites and eBay.de, but my German skills are weak and Babelfish just made it harder.

 

[Kongsodoken]

You can buy brand new for £280 so why pay £200 for a repair ?
abailable from Germany no exchange needed

Ken, you mentalist/legend! Do you have details? I have tried to search German sites and eBay.de, but my German skills are weak and Babelfish just made it harder.

That's because they are on the US website but despatched from Germany
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Bosch-0280203026-Air-Flow-Meter-Porsche-944-Turbo-/310390757102?hash=item4844bb16ee:m:mhJDGH__9clN-SzxpHMH98Q&vxp=mtr

I beleive Stuart (scam75) may have a brand new one that he purchased from me but then did not need

 

[blade7]

It's not hard to reposition the wiper on the track, if there is an undamaged area for it to sweep over I'd try that first. There's a guide online.

I've read the guides and studied youtube videos but what you don't see/read is that there are 3 contact points for the wiper on a track about 5mm wide. The wiper tracks pretty centrally from the factory so what's left at the edges to reposition onto is next to nothing. I have asked ATP if their remanufacture includes a new resistor track but their answer was vague.

My car was idling and responding poorly just above idle when hot, I found the track in the AFM was damaged at the start of it's sweep, there was just enough undamaged area to reposition the wiper and it's run fine since. The contacts tend to wear through the track so only need moving a fraction onto an unworn area . FR Wilks solution works if the track has normal wear and the wiper hasn't already been repositioned.

 

[Monkeythree]

It's not hard to reposition the wiper on the track, if there is an undamaged area for it to sweep over I'd try that first. There's a guide online.

I've read the guides and studied youtube videos but what you don't see/read is that there are 3 contact points for the wiper on a track about 5mm wide. The wiper tracks pretty centrally from the factory so what's left at the edges to reposition onto is next to nothing. I have asked ATP if their remanufacture includes a new resistor track but their answer was vague.

My car was idling and responding poorly just above idle when hot, I found the track in the AFM was damaged at the start of it's sweep, there was just enough undamaged area to reposition the wiper and it's run fine since. The contacts tend to wear through the track so only need moving a fraction onto an unworn area . FR Wilks solution works if the track has normal wear and the wiper hasn't already been repositioned.

Those symptoms sound pretty much like mine and my track looks pretty ropey in the low rev range too. My problem is that I don't have "a fraction" of unworn area to play with. It's more like a hairs width between the inside wiper contact and the bottom edge of the track. I think replacement is the way to go.

 

[Monkeythree]

You can buy brand new for £280 so why pay £200 for a repair ?
abailable from Germany no exchange needed

Ken, you mentalist/legend! Do you have details? I have tried to search German sites and eBay.de, but my German skills are weak and Babelfish just made it harder.

That's because they are on the US website but despatched from Germany
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Bosch-0280203026-Air-Flow-Meter-Porsche-944-Turbo-/310390757102?hash=item4844bb16ee:m:mhJDGH__9clN-SzxpHMH98Q&vxp=mtr

I beleive Stuart (scam75) may have a brand new one that he purchased from me but then did not need

Thanks but that AFM is for a Turbo and I need an 0280203029 for an S2. I had a look at his other items but they don't seem to offer the S2 one. The cheapest I have found so far for new ones for the S2 is £450 which makes the £195 rebuild seem semi reasonable. But only if they actually remanufacture it!

 

[blade7]

Thanks but that AFM is for a Turbo and I need an 0280203029 for an S2. I had a look at his other items but they don't seem to offer the S2 one. The cheapest I have found so far for new ones for the S2 is £450 which makes the £195 rebuild seem semi reasonable. But only if they actually remanufacture it!

Have you asked ATP if they repair/replace the track in the AFM ? If not I think your options are new, used or something like VEMS.

 

[Monkeythree]

Thanks but that AFM is for a Turbo and I need an 0280203029 for an S2. I had a look at his other items but they don't seem to offer the S2 one. The cheapest I have found so far for new ones for the S2 is £450 which makes the £195 rebuild seem semi reasonable. But only if they actually remanufacture it!

Have you asked ATP if they repair/replace the track in the AFM ? If not I think your options are new, used or something like VEMS.

Yes I asked them specifically but rather than give me a straight yes or no their answer went along the lines of each unit being treated individually and given whatever attention necessary to bring it back to "as new" performance. My concern therefore was that they might just bend the wiper arm, seal it back up again and charge me £195 for the privilige. Hence the reason for me asking for experiences of them on here first!

I think I will end up buying a new one so now I want to find the cheapest source. Theor must be a Bosch specialist in Germany who will supply direct. It's just a matter of identifying them.

 

[blade7]

You've got nothing to lose by moving the wiper arm up or down on the post slightly to see if it finds a good contact first. Good luck anyway.

 

[Waylander]

They have a Bosch reman number as well 0986280048


try calling you local Bosch injection dealer they can sometime be a revelation

 

[Monkeythree]

You've got nothing to lose by moving the wiper arm up or down on the post slightly to see if it finds a good contact first. Good luck anyway.

I did exactly that before I started investigating rebuilds but it hasn't improved it at all. :-(

 

[Monkeythree]

They have a Bosch reman number as well 0986280048


try calling you local Bosch injection dealer they can sometime be a revelation

Thanks, good idea and definitely worth a shot.

 

[944 man]

They have a Bosch reman number as well 0986280048


try calling you local Bosch injection dealer they can sometime be a revelation

Thanks, good idea and definitely worth a shot.

Not in this case, as per my earlier post.