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Black 944 turbo wanted. Cash ready!

With Cerbs its all down to luck, a good mate of mine ran his for a couple of years and didnt cost anything apart from normal service. But you do hear bad stories about them. Cant remember but its about every 5k you have to have the tappents adjusted that can cost a few quid but nothing silly. If you can live with doors not opening all the time, windows with a mind of their own etc they can be not to bad. But they rust like mad check all out-riggers as that can cost big to sort out. Also they all drop oil from the rear diff.
I could put a Cerb to bed with my old 944 lux on the bends but get it straight and I cant think of anything this side of 50k that would go past one.
For smile factory it beats the 944 turbo and dont start me on the noise.
A good set of shocks and a good setup can get them cornering well.
 
Am sure I read on a TVR website a while back that to gauge the true state of most offerings from Blackpool you had to multiply the actual mileage by a factor of seven or eight [8|]. It does look good though and will no doubt sound fantastic on those few days when its actually capable of motion. Am sure it will be great fun - I love the idea of owning a TVR just not sure I could stand the long term reality of it.
 
A freind's dad is on his second Cerbera he has owned it from new,i remember asking him about it and he basically said in a nutshell they are troublesome when they are new,but after a bit of development and glitch fixing they are pretty reliable,he doesn't use his in the salt,i have been underneath another one that has been used in salty conditions and the handmade looking suspension arms were quite corroded.....They sound amazing,look amazing i always look when one goes past,very different car and it was British[:)].
 
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Ben,

Is it this one? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140280121270

Looks good, have fun!

Well found! The autotrader add has gone already so I was struggling. Yep thats her alright. I'm 'told' its one of a kind and the only white Cerb ever made.. no idea on whether thats true or not but I haven't ever seen one at least.

Thanks for all the tips of what to look for. I've tried to do a little reading on the subject. I had a good look underneath and the chassis looks good at the moment (just starting to form some surface rust on the exposed side of the bars behind the front wheels but nothing that a night in my garage with some sand paper and an extra large can on hammerite wont sort for the next few years!

Its just had the oil leak on the diff sorted so that should last for another mile or so and the shims were only done once that I can see at about 25,000miles so hopefully that is representative of how often they need doing since it doesn't seem to have wanted for anything in its past! It starts, sounds, runs like new at the moment and even the electric door locks are quick and silent (which they weren't on any other one I saw!) so obviously I am HOPING that it will be good to me but don't worry I am more than prepared that it could be a disaster! I went in with my eyes open and no matter what the outcome at least I will know I've tried and will no longer lust for the unknown.

I stand by my theory that a well sorted 944 T (pauls, BBU, ricks, simons old one tony's etc) would be able to eat my Cerb even in a straight line but due to the snow when I went to look at it I haven't actually had a chance to drive this one yet and reports are that because it was built for a high ranking member of TVR staff as the first owner.. to use his words "this is a quick one! You wont be disappointed." so we shall see?! I'll be more than happy to take a blast against someone on a dry day for 'scientific reasearch' if anyone fancies a bit of fun one day so I imagine before I sell it we'll probably find out!
 
Whilst I agree that the TVR sound and look is totally awesome, is it true that owners club meetings are all about how many new engines you have had?
 
... wish I could find the add right now that said 'engine and clutch change in the last 5000miles' lol it wasn't even a joke! On 944's you expect to read 'oil change done in the last 5000miles'
 
I get it now....an engine change is a service item, why bother changing the oil when you can just put a new lump in and use the old one as a wine rack ? [:)]
 
That is serious, when you're talking the AJP 6 cylinder they made themselves.

Many years ago now I was in the position of getting a company car (which never happened for a combination of reasons). I researched very, very seriously at the Tuscan and I got the length of plotting how long engines lasted.. The best I could estimate was that you had to allow for a rebuild every 9,000 miles, so I factored that into my running costs. The V8 is a derivation of the Rover (Buick) which is much more reliable.

I know someone who drove a Chimaera every day (and a 350i before that in fact) and had little trouble with it. I think the key, just like with 944s but probably moreso, is to use the thing.

In terms of the Cerb it has always been the one I wouldn't buy. A TVR with a hard top? No thanks! I have to say white is a "brave" colour for that much car in that size and shape. Is it white or light grey inside? I'm afraid I don't like it, Ben, but as you make me look like someone who keeps cars for ages that's fine. You'll scratch your itch and then you can move on.
 
I just realised that was wrong - the AJP is their in-house V8, which I guess this has. I know nothing about that engine.

The 9,000 mile rebuild interval was correct, but it relates to their Speed Six engine.
 
The advice from the dyno day was that the chassis is made from 2" steel tube, unprotected. Solid as ****, and structurally very stiff. But, it needs wire-brushing and treating every year.

I have to say that the exterior colour is stunning, the interior not my choice. We always say don't buy on details like colour, and I reckon it's a bargain at the price. Please be careful with it, though? [:)]
 
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I'll be more than happy to take a blast against someone on a dry day for 'scientific reasearch' if anyone fancies a bit of fun one day so I imagine before I sell it we'll probably find out!

Shall we say Santa Pod in the Spring [;)] (I'll order up the replacement driveshafts and clutches in advance :ROFLMAO:)

I actually love the colour and the look of that one and it even has token rear seats so it's practical in my book and you can keep it until you start a little family of Bens [:)]
 
Well picked it up today and already done nearly 400miles on it! God you can hear everything on the car, all the workings so much that its making me go insane with paranoia!! Every time a stone gets picked up and hits the inside of the wheel arch with a clatter another blood vessel in my eye goes with the stress! I've been paranoid all afternoon that something is going to break every time you back off the throttle and it shakes the car with a rumble of pops and backfires I think the engine has just blown, every time I pull away or brake I think its going to go wrong!

The worry is insane but it hasnt let me down, everything has worked all day, it hasn't smoked and although it smells hot and oily when you get out its kept cool calm and collected even through (at times) some quite heavy abuse. Is it quick.. oh dear, well yes I unfortunately must concede that it is proper fast[:mad:]! The power delievery is worse than a turbo when it comes on cam at 5000rpm and just turns savage! It is a totally totally differnt experience to a 944 but purely on how rare it is that you can actually use full throttle because you never seem to have the space or your moving too slowly and it'll just light up the wheels.. it becomes evident that it does have quite a lot of power!

The best things I've found about it so far are the handling which has been a really plesant surprise and is very stable, tame and predictable as well as really nice for nipping in and out of cars without any body roll. It is very flat but still squats nicely out of roundabouts and when you use hard throttle which gives you a good feel for how much grip you've got.

The other shock is the fuel consumption! Now I've probably been driving it slower than I would usually once I'm more confident with it but I certainly wasn't shy to get it moving and it did an amazing amout of miles to the £20 I put in!
 
Always fancied a cerb, and tamora or a 350C, but couldn't replace the 944 with one. Have passed a yellow Cerb at silverstone on the straight like it was going backwards, this was much to my suprise (and his) but had more to do with my exit speed on the previous corner than anything else. Hope its a good one and you enjoy it Ben, looking forward to seeing it.
Tony
 
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Still unfortunately no sun to show the colour as it looks in the flesh but when the light reflects off it you get a full spectrum of colours from purples, blues, yellows it really is just like a pearl. Looks lovely but attracts A LOT of attention, I don't think there's been one person in a car I've passed or on the footpath who hasn't stared at it and all the traffic coming the other way I notice all eyes are on me! Driving it around the town in which I live was like driving a Ferrari in Italy, people stop walking to look, give you thumbs up, ask you to rev it or put your foot down so they can hear it. Stop you in petrol stations to talk about it.. At first it was great but now I'm not so sure I like it too much, I drive quickly! Better to go un-noticed when people live near you are going to see it often!

p.s. I wrote a better review here for those that are interested:-

Right so I'm back now and what are my first impressions of owning a cerb. Well firstly although I've been popping blood vessels at every sound I hear and sniffing every smell with panic expecting the car to splutter and spit its guts onto the road at any moment I have done coming up for 500 miles now since I picked it up yesterday afternoon and it hasn't put a foot wrong! I've actually been amazed at how practical its been?! It isn't ridiculous on fuel (used about £25 to do 200miles on a 'pretty fast' run) its comfortable, has all the creature comforts you need, surprisingly easy to drive.. fabulous handling (a real shock as its not what I was expecting!) and whilst its very hard to judge how quick it is compared to my old 944 T (because its power delivery is so different) I have now happily seen the error of my ways.

When I originally looked at them I naturally assumed that being a V8 it would be fastest from about 2000-5000rpm so I was changing at 5000 thinking that I was using pretty much all of the rev range and giving it all it had got which wasn't as much as I expected! As it turns out 5000rpm is exactly the point at which it stops being an 'adequately swift' car, comes on cam, changes note completely and goes nuts! I love it. It reminds me exactly of some of the tuned V8's you see being used in GT racer (of which I'm a huge fan) it has that hard, sharp, aggressive note of a well tuned engine determined out accelerate whatever you may be passing at the time where 2000-5000 just wasn't quite enough! In the low gears the change is enough to break traction exactly as it passes 5000revs every time even if it seemed to have plenty of traction up to that point. It's really good fun and the noise is just epic it roars an thumps then as you let off the throttle you get the odd pop and bang until you get a whole fireworks display of splutters, rumbles and bangs as it comes to a head of noise with that final volley as it gets back down past 3500rpm and then you change down into the next gear to hear it again. Excellent, excellent fun.

To sum it up its a totally different ball game to owning a normal sports car but like keeping a timely classic it gives you so much more of an experience and if you think of it in terms of a car you could turn up at a GT racer style classic event 'out of the box' with no need for modification and still be competative you start to apreciate that they actually did a damn fine job down at Blackpool. Top respect to you fellows!
 
I'm getting to quite like the interior now I've seen more pics. [8|]

I love the white pearlescent paint. Every other colour looks sadly like the Nissan green/bronze pearlescent that they put on Almeras and Primeras. Pointless cars with a pointless paintjob. White cars are so subjective - witness Peter's efforts to find the right white - and adding something like matt, metallic or pearlescent to a "base" colour is great. What would a pearlescent Guards Red be like? Fen, you don't need to answer. [;)]

The one thing that TVR always did so well was design. And noise. Ok, the two things TVR always did well were design and noise. The interior puts major manufacturers to shame, only the Range Rover interior and the floating console in Volvos have ever grabbed my attention in recent years.

I'm guessing that it's front-engined, and you'd not be thrown out if you showed up at Frontrunner. [:)]
 
My mates ran a 12.6 at Santa Pod, 1st time he had even tried 1/4mile and 2nd run. They are very fast. Just watch the rev limiter or lack of it[:D]
 
Fab car!

You've basically got a race engine there, designed by Al Melling from that hotbed of engineering, Rochdale!

Have always loved TVRs, albeit from a distance, since falling in love with the original 4.3l Griffith (ye olde Buick/Rover engine) and then watching a few TVR Tuscan races, most notable sitting above the Craner curves in the rain, whilst they attempted to go down them three abreast in the wet...!

I think that as long as you have deep'ish pockets, buy a good 'un (as you appear to have done) and proactively stay on top of the maintenance (oh & use them properly[:D]), they can be great fun - much like our 944s really!

But, oh the noise - I have heard a 4.5 Cerb that had been decatted and had 'sports pipes' & that sounded like Satan himself was having a party in the tailpipes, complete with delicious pops & crackles on the overrun!

Have fun!

Edited to add:

This may prove of interest, but hopefully unnecessary!

http://www.pistonheads.com/tvr/default.asp?storyId=19361
 
I have wanted one of those since even before thinking of getting a 944 and to a certain extent I still want one... but still can't resolve myself to put up with all the potential issues. When in most cases it seems the engine has to be rebuilt before it hits 60k miles you can't help thinking there is something fundamentally wrong with them. Since some LS7 conversions have hit the road I must say I wonder why I keep drowning as much money into my two 944s that will never be worth anything when I could own a car as thrilling as this one - hopefully my upcoming 3.0 turbo engine will convince me otherwise.

Anyway, congrats for the purchase and enjoy it - this is in my opinion one of if not the best-looking car designed within the last 15 years.
 
Thanks for nice comments.. de-cat/silencer removal is on my list[;)] but for those considering one as a 944 alternative NO! I think you've got to consider it more of an alternative to something like a Caterham or Classic that is only going to come out at weekends for a bit of fun and you expect to have to work on. Nothing has actually failed on my car (yet) but it doesn't exactly fill you with confidence driving one![:eek:]

Definitely a place in my collection for a TVR now though, every drive is a much bigger experience than in anything else I've owned! I can see myself doing a lot of 4am blasts down A-roads when the days get longer in the summer[:)] man, machine and a wall of sound!
 
p.s. interior colour made me wince at first but actually it grows on you and looks quite classy when your in the car. Reminds me a bit of something Aston Martin would produce. I've a habbit of picking odd interiors but I tend to always favour condition over interior colour so get what I'm given really.
 

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