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Hi Guys in Gals,

Any tips on fitting new discs and pads to my 83 944 lux?

I have a haynes manual but has anybody done it and how hard is it.

Anything to watch out for and apart from new pads and discs anything else i should get before taking the bits off.

Marcus
 
i am just changing front discs on my 1984 944. it doesn' t look difficult and not expensive (about 50euros / per disc in France)
 
Only did it on my 1989 S2 so I think mine is an easier operation - www.944garage was very helpful.....

Just remember to slacken the handbrake adjuster right off before removing rears... and if the new rears won' t go on make double sure you have slackened the handbrake shoes off enough....
 
Get new bolts from your OPC, particularly the little countersunk machine screws that hold the disk on.

Try loosening all the bolts prior to the event and treat with Plusgas or similar release oil. Taking care not to contaminate the pads of course.

The little machine screws can be little so' n' sos and may require the use of an impact driver or blow torch to release them.

When putting it all back together, with your nice new bolts, a dab of Copaslip will ensure the job is much easier next time.
 
Do those little screws have to be done up tight - I never bother anymore - just pinch them up - after all the wheel nuts hold the disc on too.
 
just pinch them up

I tend to do the same, mainly through fear of not getting the frustrating little sods off next time.

I have never left them off of a disk but, once finaly removed, didn' t bother to put them back on drum brakes.
 
Hmm sounds like its getting complicated. I have difficulty with a normal torch let alone a blow torch.

Ohh well im gonna have to do it myself as the 4 discs and ebc green stuff pads used up all my cash lol.

Well it was nice knowing my car and it will probally be advertised soon as breaking for parts one i damage it beyond repair [:)]
 
Little tip, or two little tips.

When you do do your brakes, as I' m sure you will, make sure:-

a) You torque the bolts up.

b) You don' t go steaming off down the road to test them for the fist time thinking they are going to displace your retina, ' cos they whon' t! Or they might when you hit a wall.
New disks and pads are a hugh disapointment untill they are bedded in. The first trip out tends to leave you with the question - " ...and why did I bother?"
 
I left the little screws off my S2 coupe when I replaced its disks a couple of years ago. I didn' t buy new ones, it was Bank Holiday weekend and I had to drill the old ones out.
 
Check your brake fluid level, just to make sure your not actually loosing fluid. Most likely air or water in the brake fluid, its best to replace it every 4 years
 
I wouldn't bother with upgrading rear brakes - maybe the fronts, but I'd expect the standard brakes to be perfectly capable of doing the job on the road. Get the standard brakes working well & you should be fine - maybe even for track use.
 
I may be wrong on this, but I think that to fit the Brembo calipers onto a Lux (which never previously had them) is quite a lot of work. You need parts from the S2/Turbo to mount them correctly, and would probably then need the disks and pads, and calipers. I expect it would end up being very expensive.

Try some good disks and pads. or even just pads if the disks are not badly worn. And look at other things as well - some new brake fluid and a really good bleed of the system will make a huge difference, and cost very little.

Others will be able to recommend pads and disks. Although whether they are available in Lux fitment is something you would need to investigate.


Oli.

ETA: I'm sure that Peter Empson has Brembo calipers on his lux-thing. Probably big blacks, knowing him. He'll know the answer. And I'm sure he'll be along soon ...
 
I'm thinking some decent pads, clean up the callipers, stainless hoses and bleeding the system. Anyone got any experience with stainless hoses, are they worth the ££?
 
They were always reputed to give much better pedal feel on Golfs, but I'm not sure how much ultimate difference they made to brake performance.

As I recall, they aren't expensive so could be worth a punt. But other things (new fluid/bleeding) will offer more improvement per £.


Oli.
 
You can mount Brembos to a 930 calipered car using machined adapters: someone such as Ian Godney (Godspeed Racing) can machine these up for <£100. Steel braided hoses will make a substantial difference to braking performance and feel. The braiding prevents your flexible hoses from expanding under pressure, so beyond the 'knee-point' youll achieve greater retardation for a given effort.

Simon
 

ORIGINAL: 944 man

You can mount Brembos to a 930 calipered car using machined adapters: someone such as Ian Godney (Godspeed Racing) can machine these up for <£100.  Steel braided hoses will make a substantial difference to braking performance and feel.  The braiding prevents your flexible hoses from expanding under pressure, so beyond the 'knee-point' youll achieve greater retardation for a given effort.

Simon

Today I ordered standard read discs, pads, handbrake shoes and ATE blue fluid. I'm not sure what to do about braided hoses now as Bert told me not to bother with them unless I was racing and mentioned something about the rear one's being too short. Perhaps the too short part was regarding a specific set that he knew about. I think I'll leave it for now and maybe if I take the car onto the track some day when I can afford to smash it I'll fit some better pads and braided hoses.
 
One other concern I've heard voiced about the braided hoses is that you can't see any bulges in the pipe, so it's probably wise to change them more regularly than you might otherwise.

I have them on the white car but can't say I was unhappy before they were in place, but they certainly don't hurt.

I've heard Bert raise concerns over the rear length before. Since then I believe Goodrich changed the design and added a clear plastic cover over the braid (to stop it wearing any surfaces it came into contact with), but I'm not sure if they changed any other aspects of the design at the same time. It isn't a problem on my setup but then the car is lowered and has much less suspension travel than standard so that will help.
 
If kit parts are too short, then a firm like Pirtek can make up hoses to any specification that you require. As Peter has stated, you can see the hose under the braid, so you should replace them periodically: that said though, theyll be good for years.

Simon
 

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