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ORIGINAL: tscaptain

It begs the question as to how many are driving around with settings way outside of factory tolerances?
Given what I know now, I expect ALL factory Porsches to be badly aligned.

It would explain why some journalists have good experiences with 'press' cars and some don't - I would say the range is massive on how each car is aligned.
 
ORIGINAL: john crannis

...I am puzzled that geometry settings could be outside factory tollerances in six months of use, or maybe
there is insufficient time given to weight the seating, allow for empty fuel tank etc. to adjust correctly on the tight production line.
Porsche insist that all used cars for sale have their geometry checked and corrected. Surely this could be extended to new cars in the pre-delivery check without hurting the pocket of the OPC.
john

John,
All new cars undergo an extensive, computerised post production inspection before leaving the factory. Selected cars also undergo road testing. I'd be surprised if geometry settings are out from the factory. It is quite likely settings will alter over a six month period once ride height settles and suspension bushes etc. bed in.

Alan,
Exeter OPC now have a nitrogen rig. It'll be worth getting your track-day boots filled for minimal pressure variation during hard use.
Nice photo by the way! [:)]
Regards,
Clive
 
Thanks for the info, Clive. I think the current boots have one more day on track left in them. After that will be changing to "proper" track day tyres and will check out the N2. I must say it was a real faff trying to keep the rear pressures about right.
 
Apparently, having e-mailed Chris at CG, the problem with my car appears to be different roll stiffness front to rear. Great, so now I need GT3 adjustable anti roll bars to fix that! He did confirm that it is supposed to go around corners on all four wheels![:D]
 
Looks good though! [;)]
I once drove a Mark 1 Ford Escort Twin Cam with a modified 5 link rear axle. This would wave an OSF wheel about a meter in the air. Not the quickest way round a hairpin - but it certainly entertained the audience! [:)]
Regards,
Clive
 
ORIGINAL: tscaptain

Apparently, having e-mailed Chris at CG, the problem with my car appears to be different roll stiffness front to rear. Great, so now I need GT3 adjustable anti roll bars to fix that! He did confirm that it is supposed to go around corners on all four wheels![:D]

Sounds like a good investment for the track, however, it may be worth checking what it may do to your warranty? Sorry to be boring.[;)]
 
Not at all Marc. Already asked that question - awaiting an answer. However, I won't have my fun spoiled by Porsche's narrow-mindedness over warranty conditions. I know they will probably argue that the PCM and all non suspension related items aren't covered if I change the anti roll bars but life is too short![;)] Anyway, I wonder if they would even notice if I didn't tell them?
 
ORIGINAL: Lancerlot

ORIGINAL: john crannis

...I am puzzled that geometry settings could be outside factory tollerances in six months of use, or maybe
there is insufficient time given to weight the seating, allow for empty fuel tank etc. to adjust correctly on the tight production line.
Porsche insist that all used cars for sale have their geometry checked and corrected. Surely this could be extended to new cars in the pre-delivery check without hurting the pocket of the OPC.
john

John,
All new cars undergo an extensive, computerised post production inspection before leaving the factory. Selected cars also undergo road testing. I'd be surprised if geometry settings are out from the factory. It is quite likely settings will alter over a six month period once ride height settles and suspension bushes etc. bed in.

Alan,
Exeter OPC now have a nitrogen rig. It'll be worth getting your track-day boots filled for minimal pressure variation during hard use.
Nice photo by the way! [:)]
Regards,
Clive

If there can be this much "settling" in a few thousand miles, I would have thought there would have been a geometry check in the scheduled servicing? Not sure what the owners manual says in the small print about this?

Pete
 
ORIGINAL: tscaptain
Great, so now I need GT3 adjustable anti roll bars to fix that!

Are they not genuine Porsche parts though... so uneffected in the warranty stakes?
Just a thought..

garyw
 
That was my take on it but I welcome any advice on the matter. Won't stop me doing it if I think it will increase the fun factor but nice to know anyhow[:D]
 
I'm not sure the warranty actually says that, Rob. Just that installed parts must be approved by the manufacturer and the car must not be altered in a way not approved by the same manufacturer. However, I think the main issue would be the possible exclusion of any bit of the car not associated with the suspension under the warranty. So presumably GT3 roll bars are approved but possibly only if fitted to a GT3 and not a 2S? If they tell me that all parts of the suspension would be excluded I would be annoyed but could live with that. Clearly the car, as supplied, will not corner at speed with all four wheels on the ground. This is a design fault I will consider rectifying[:D]
Edit - Oh Gawd this has turned into another of those interminable warranty type threads
 
ORIGINAL: burrow01
If there can be this much "settling" in a few thousand miles, I would have thought there would have been a geometry check in the scheduled servicing? Not sure what the owners manual says in the small print about this?
Pete

It's probably only UK roads that give the chassis such a rough work out. [:eek:]

From new, I have generally had chassis geometry reset after around 6 months or so on all my Porsches over the years and have found it most worthwhile in terms of tyre wear, road holding and handling.

Regards,
Clive
 
Thanks Rob, I must have been looking at something else! I wonder if upgrading a part is considered service, maintenance or repair? It may be semantics but I don't see that it's any of those? Anyway I might get an answer if I decide to go ahead or I might just do it regardless, This started as a fun thread about a fun day out[:D] So here's another piccie with all four wheels on the ground![;)]

porschecc14309273.jpg


 
ORIGINAL: garyw

ORIGINAL: tscaptain
Great, so now I need GT3 adjustable anti roll bars to fix that!

Are they not genuine Porsche parts though... so uneffected in the warranty stakes?
Just a thought..

garyw
Ok, so now I have the answer. If I fitted genuine Porsche GT3 adjustable anti roll bars the view from Head Office is
1) At the very least any part of the suspension that failed would not be covered by the warranty and
2) If they could prove (or even suspect) that an engine failure was caused by an oil surge which in turn had been caused by the extra lateral g-force brought about by having stiffer ARB's then that would not be covered either! (their words, not mine)
As I had already guessed if they can find a way to wriggle out of a claim they will so, for the number of times I will track a year, it not worth the risk/grief etc. etc.
Shame really as I hoped to make a very good car better and enjoy the best of both worlds by have adjustable ARB's. I'm sure that the engine/suspension as it stands is more than capable (out of interest how much stiffer is the Sports Suspension which is an option?) of handling a little higher cornering speed and g - it can't be that finely engineered, can it? Hey ho, just have to put up with cornering on 3 wheels, I guess[:(]
 
ORIGINAL: garyw

After all it is dry sumped [;)]

garyw
So is mine, I thought?! This is what it says on the website

"For the engine, all of these detailed solutions mean a consistent supply of oil regardless of gravitational loads, even in the most demanding track conditions."

Apparently not if you add GT3 ARB's!!!! Who's fooling who?
Actually, I think I might e-mail that quote to Head Office tomorrow![:mad:]
 
Who took your pictures? I was at CC that day in my GT3 and would love to see some pics if anyone has good ones for sale.
Thanks
Mark
 

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