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Cayman GT4: Where are we up 2 now? Déjà vu Edition

Motorhead said:
Roar Before the 24 Daytona Timing Results: http://results.imsa.com/

Fastest Lap By Driver After pdf shows that after the 6 sessions CGT4s did rather well.

Jeff
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Encouraging but as it's a new car, they run without BoP adjustments which other cars will be subject to. Perhaps they should have done the Ford GT Le Mans sandbagging trick...

 
Maybe Porsche missed a trick there Ralph considering Porsche's extensive race experience. Unlikely perhaps, but could they have taken that into account by running last year's power-to-weight spec in anticipation?

Jeff

 
Jeff,

Given it is apparently due for 2020, I think the article should have said

"It will be based, of course, on the GT4 revealed just a couple of weeks ago, using the same 425hp 3.8-litre flat-six and six-speed PDK.

It will be interesting to see the gearing as it is a rally car.

See update on tuning 981 in Modified section.

Ralph

 
ralphmusic said:
Jeff,

Given it is apparently due for 2020, I think the article should have said

"It will be based, of course, on the GT4 revealed just a couple of weeks ago, using the same 425hp 3.8-litre flat-six and six-speed PDK.

It will be interesting to see the gearing as it is a rally car.

See update on tuning 981 in Modified section.

Ralph
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That's just the concept right? They've said they will make a 718 based on the CS

 
Flicked through Autocar I think, at my local Smiths. Short article with a probably photoshoped 718 GT4 . Suggested it will retail low 90's not sure how much truth to that . Be a shame if so. Though music to some current owners ears I suspect as that would help residuals. Technically pandering to speculators on the other hand? Else why the hike ?

 
I agree on pricing.

The exchange rate has moved significantly since 2014/15 (c8-10%) I wonder if Porsche will use that as an excuse for the GBP price hike?

Still that would only move the original GT4 65k base price price to 70-72k. Even Add typical “option” and you can’t get to 90k.

i suppose the other reason for a leaked price point is to see customer response. Arguably Porsche left money on the table with the original GT4 given speculators premiums.

given that history Porsche can probably get away with 80k - 90k with options and still see them fly out of the door....

 
snowy999 said:
......The exchange rate has moved significantly since 2014/15 (c8-10%) I wonder if Porsche will use that as an excuse for the GBP price hike?...
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Most import businesses will exercise some form of currency risk management.

As a substantial number of Porsche's competitors are Euro based they don't have to think about competitors with other currency pairs (e.g. US dollar cost-based into GBP market).

They do have to think about affordability but with cheap finance that has largely receded as an issue.

They are then left with some form of pre-commitment to fixed rates. Now I would guess that the German car manufacturers would all agree a general strategy, either to float (unlikely) or to agree to use a certain rate for pricing, which each would then be free to hedge or not depending on their risk appetite. The point of agreeing a pricing rate (separate from actual currency cost) would be to ensure pricing stability (otherwise known as cartel pricing).

Just my conspiracy theory (which I have not done) built on 40 years experience of businesses selling hundreds of millions of USD product into very competitive UK computer market.

Anyway, last 5 years GBP/Euro currency pair.

 
Retail in the low 90s is nonsense. £70k-£72k is much more likely given that the GTS retails at £60.5k.

But as before, options will always push up the price. Even though the basic spec is perfectly adequate I would guess that most owners will add a least another £10k of options, especially when Full Bucket Seats retail for a whopping £3,788..!

Jeff

 
And don't forget that with the new road tax pricing that arrived in 2017 that after options a well specced new GT4 is going to be heading towards £90K 'on the road'.

 
I'd agree that low 90's seems out of place, made me wonder if they had picked it out the air? My own feeling would be somewhere between 6-10k hike on original base price to place it just above the 718 GTS and just below the 992 base Carrera when it's launched. This would fit with Porsche pricing strategy. Guess we will have to wait and see. I wouldn't doubt it would be more than possible to spec it to over 90 if you so wished, CTS, Ceramics , buckets and Clubsport pack would probably do it.

 
After 4 hours racing at BMW Endurance Challenge today, best 718 GT4 CS finished 7th and 8th, 13 seconds behind leader. Best 718 lap time was one second slower than winner, a McLaren. Cars carrying 30lbs BoP extra weight after Roar testing.

Close but perhaps they should have used the 4.0L engine...

 
Not too shabby for a first outing Ralph, considering the weight penalty.

As you said previously, maybe Porsche missed a trick at ROAR by not doing some subversive sandbagging but I suspect that's not the German way.....ve always follow der rules..!

Jeff

 
From German sources:

Porsche's OPF development plan has changed several times.

International homologation for 981 GT4 CS expires in 2021 and in principle, no other finished engine was available for the 718CS which had to be on track in 2019 with a three year life.

For road cars, Porsche first used a 4-way cat which was not a successful development route so back to a 3-way cat plus OPF, and everything has to be tested again. The fact that you do not officially know anything about the 718 GT4 production engine is because the Euro 6d tests have not been completed yet, even for 991.2 GT3 RS with OPF.

 
Very interesting Ralph, thanks for posting. It's very much what I suspected was the case for both cars. The 4-way cat may work for turbo engines but not NA?

I'm getting more and more inclined to stick with my 981 GTS very long term.

 
Agreed Dave, but I have to wonder who/how reliable are the "German sources"?

My understanding is that particulates from gasoline engines are significantly lower than those from diesel engines, so Porsche shouldn't be struggling to incorporate GPFs in their n/a engine systems unless - as stated - they've wasted a significant amount of time trying to develop a 4-way cat system. That plus WLTP testing delays and the fact that GT engine dyno development time maybe has a lower priority has pushed release dates back.....is MY2020 now looking more likely?

Jeff

 
They've been bragging about the 4-way cat in a few articles I've read, but maybe they only really work on turbo engines? If the info Ralph posted is correct regarding re-testing, then it could indicate different results between the testing Porsche had done versus the official WLTP testing. I can only assume Porsche thought they had everything sorted but the WLTP results were not what they expected.

Interesting about the 981 homologation though - the 718 GT4 race car is actually a 981 for homologation purposes. So the 718 GT4 road car can have whatever engine it likes......

 
Quite possibly Dave - but I believe the 718 has a 3-way(?) cat plus GPF.

I think it's already been mentioned on here and elsewhere that the 718 GT4 road and race cars will have different engines. Surely the inference is that the current car is homologated as a 718 until 2022 rather than a 981?

Jeff

 
Jeff,

My understanding is the 718 has a 4-way catalyser incorporating the GPF.

I'm staying shtum on the topic of the final decision on the 718 GT4 engine........

Brian

 
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