Cayman GT4: Where are we up 2 now? Déjà vu Edition

[Twinfan]

I disagree Brian, these new exhaust designs seen on all the Cayster mules over the last couple of years are unique to an NA flat six.

 

[Brian_Innes]

Interesting....

I shall defer to your superior knowledge David.......

Brian

 

[ralphmusic]

I disagree Brian, these new exhaust designs seen on all the Cayster mules over the last couple of years are unique to an NA flat six.

I have no idea but the assertion above seems to rather depend on an assumption (since there are no facts) that there have been only F6 in every mule/prototype seen and heard.

 

[Twinfan]

That's the general view Ralph/Brian, based on video sound clips. There's been nothing obviously turbo-four with that exhaust configuration that I know of.

 

[ralphmusic]

On rennlist

"News from Germany, dealers got their allocations last week... (Mine has 3 GT4 and 5 Spyder, I saw the screen with all their 718 allocations until year end...) I finally signed for a GT4, it will be Flat 6 Naturally aspirated 3.8 or 4.0 and it will be PDK...

Final details and prices to be announced end of may early june, mine will be the first delivered, October 2019.... PDK only? Or have PDK as an option? PDK and Manual available"

 

[Steve Brookes]

He saw it on the screen, signed for it but doesn't know if it will be 3.8 or 4.0.....sounds like fake news to me!

 

[Motorhead]

Too right Steve. The Americans are still banging on about an RS GT4 as well.

As for the PDK 'box issue, Porsche have had plenty of development time to do it but with the exception of the race cars, as far as I can make out all the video clips have featured GT4s and Spyders with manual transmissions. The only clip which possibly features a car with PDK is the one showing the dubious GT4 "Touring".

Jeff

 

[MrDemon]

Too right Steve. The Americans are still banging on about an RS GT4 as well.

As for the PDK 'box issue, Porsche have had plenty of development time to do it but with the exception of the race cars, as far as I can make out all the video clips have featured GT4s and Spyders with manual transmissions. The only clip which possibly features a car with PDK is the one showing the dubious GT4 "Touring".

Jeff

With very slow 718 sales, I can see a flat 6 Cayman as a mainstream car above the T models, and cann the rest of the 4 pot range.

T has always been entry level, so keep them with 4 pots.

 

[aholymanjones55]

Check out this video on 2016 GT4 recently posted. (14 Feb 19) covering gearbox and Clutch and then the front strut failing.

I've seen a front strut failure on R8's but not on a Porsche before.

[link]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_HyXLsdOw0[/url]

 

[Motorhead]

Too right Steve. The Americans are still banging on about an RS GT4 as well.

As for the PDK 'box issue, Porsche have had plenty of development time to do it but with the exception of the race cars, as far as I can make out all the video clips have featured GT4s and Spyders with manual transmissions. The only clip which possibly features a car with PDK is the one showing the dubious GT4 "Touring".

Jeff

With very slow 718 sales, I can see a flat 6 Cayman as a mainstream car above the T models, and cann the rest of the 4 pot range.

T has always been entry level, so keep them with 4 pots.

Apart from some niche cars, somehow I just can't see Porsche reverting to a naturally aspirated F-6 for the mid-engine cars D. Having nailed their colours to the F-4 turbo mast primarily on the basis of improved fuel economy and lower emissions, in true Porsche fashion I reckon that they'll persevere with the format, maybe introducing some form of hybridisation in the next version.

I've not seen any sales figures, but who's to say that if sales are slow it's due exclusively to the introduction of the 4-cylinder engine? At the moment there are too many factors coming into play, lack of consumer confidence and the lingering effects of WLTP being just two which come to mind.

Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

Porsche sales in USA and China are very strong not needing GPF whilst Europe market is very slow and lacking cars for sale. I am guessing new GT cars whenever they emerge, will initially prioritise Europe deliveries.

 

[OliR]

I've heard that rumour too about the 718 Cayman 6. Seems strange to me, and they all seem to trace back to one single post on Rennlist. I remain quite sceptical, but would be interested to see. It would make the total Cayman line up:

Cayman

Cayman T

Cayman S

Cayman GTS

Cayman 6

Cayman GT4

Cayman GT4RS

Seems to me like that's an awful lot of models to deal with logistics wise, for a car where I imagine the margins are much smaller than the 911. I'd love a new GT4 though, unfortunately new house must come first. Maybe some day.

 

[Ray]

Too right Steve. The Americans are still banging on about an RS GT4 as well.

As for the PDK 'box issue, Porsche have had plenty of development time to do it but with the exception of the race cars, as far as I can make out all the video clips have featured GT4s and Spyders with manual transmissions. The only clip which possibly features a car with PDK is the one showing the dubious GT4 "Touring".

Jeff

With very slow 718 sales, I can see a flat 6 Cayman as a mainstream car above the T models, and cann the rest of the 4 pot range.

T has always been entry level, so keep them with 4 pots.

Apart from some niche cars, somehow I just can't see Porsche reverting to a naturally aspirated F-6 for the mid-engine cars D. Having nailed their colours to the F-4 turbo mast primarily on the basis of improved fuel economy and lower emissions, in true Porsche fashion I reckon that they'll persevere with the format, maybe introducing some form of hybridisation in the next version.

I've not seen any sales figures, but who's to say that if sales are slow it's due exclusively to the introduction of the 4-cylinder engine? At the moment there are too many factors coming into play, lack of consumer confidence and the lingering effects of WLTP being just two which come to mind.

Jeff

Sorry Jeff but the cynic in me has just reared it's ugly head: Climate change, plastics in the ocean, rising sea levels oh and let us not forget Brexit.

Ray

 

[MrDemon]

Too right Steve. The Americans are still banging on about an RS GT4 as well.

As for the PDK 'box issue, Porsche have had plenty of development time to do it but with the exception of the race cars, as far as I can make out all the video clips have featured GT4s and Spyders with manual transmissions. The only clip which possibly features a car with PDK is the one showing the dubious GT4 "Touring".

Jeff

With very slow 718 sales, I can see a flat 6 Cayman as a mainstream car above the T models, and cann the rest of the 4 pot range.

T has always been entry level, so keep them with 4 pots.

Apart from some niche cars, somehow I just can't see Porsche reverting to a naturally aspirated F-6 for the mid-engine cars D. Having nailed their colours to the F-4 turbo mast primarily on the basis of improved fuel economy and lower emissions, in true Porsche fashion I reckon that they'll persevere with the format, maybe introducing some form of hybridisation in the next version.

I've not seen any sales figures, but who's to say that if sales are slow it's due exclusively to the introduction of the 4-cylinder engine? At the moment there are too many factors coming into play, lack of consumer confidence and the lingering effects of WLTP being just two which come to mind.

Jeff

no shortage of 718 at dealers, what Porsche need are 992's and Macan S to sell, I visited my dealer to see about a GT4 and the show room is full of 718 they say they cannot sell !

The T models can be the co2 savers, be interesting to see what happens as they cannot keep the 718 how it is not selling.

a 981 GTS cost more than a 2nd hand 718 S now 2nd hand ! and base model 718 are already start with a £3 !

crazy high spec and with BUCKETS !!!

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1341/7182.0Manual/

but that's not selling either !

 

[Chris95]

According to DVLA stats veh0161: for Porsche 718: for UKQ3-2018 376 cars down from 660 Q3 prev year. (57%)

Q2-2018 at 85% of prev year. Q4 not out yet that I can find.

No split on numbers between boxster to cayman or model in these numbers.

 

[Twinfan]

Production stopped before summer through to Nov/Dec due to the WLTP/GPF changes so you can't compare 2018 to previous years.

 

[Motorhead]

Production stopped before summer through to Nov/Dec due to the WLTP/GPF changes so you can't compare 2018 to previous years.

Agreed Dave. The extensive shut-down last year skews the sales results and also there's been a significant across-the-board drop in UK new car sales due to low consumer confidence and other factors.

Jeff

 

[MrDemon]

Production stopped before summer through to Nov/Dec due to the WLTP/GPF changes so you can't compare 2018 to previous years.

Agreed Dave. The extensive shut-down last year skews the sales results and also there's been a significant across-the-board drop in UK new car sales due to low consumer confidence and other factors.

Jeff

Porsche sell 260,000 cars a year in 2018 a new record, 718 are not really adding to that figure much lol SUV being 1/2 that amount in total. and they sold 87,000 Macans alone the biggest seller.

 

[Motorhead]

Quite so D. Although Panameras appear to be selling strongly, Porsche have become an SUV manufacturer with sports cars as a sideline..!

I'm not sure that the mid-engine cars have ever been a money spinner for Porsche, the Cayman in particular.

Jeff

 

[MrDemon]

Quite so D. Although Panameras appear to be selling strongly, Porsche have become an SUV manufacturer with sports cars as a sideline..!

I'm not sure that the mid-engine cars have ever been a money spinner for Porsche, the Cayman in particular.

Jeff

Still a lot of strong rumors for a non GT Cayman F6 though atm