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Cayman GT4: Where are we up 2 now? Déjà vu Edition

ted walker said:
A German friend of mine has driven the new GT4 and told me" not to get too excited"
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Mmmm. Is a flat-4t 718 GT4 going to happen after all has been said and done?

I can hardly wait........

Brian

 
That's a definite NO to that Brian..!

I think we've seen enough to say that it'll be n/a rather than turbo - this time around anyway. I also think it's inevitable that the new car will have a different sound signature from the 981 due to the addition of the GPF and probably to meet ever more stringent environmental noise regulations and also perhaps to address requirements of the track day fraternity to meet more restrictive track noise regulation.

Apart from the engine updates pointed out by Ralph - courtesy of turbo engine development I have to point out! - if it is indeed to be 4.0L capacity this will have come from a increased stroke, so although increased power will be welcome expect an even more torquey engine (I can hear the complaints lining up already..!). The throw-away "not to get too excited" statement could well relate to the fact that the engine won't be a GT3-like screamer - what a surprise..!

Whatever; in true Porsche fashion I'm sure that the new car will be a worthwhile incremental upgrade on its predecessor.

Jeff

 
The fact that P have a high torque transmission for the 718 says quite a lot ...

Porsche have certainly drawn out this drama !

But maybe the particulate filter re-think late in the day will make this a class act ? In typical development time frame terms, October is yesterday ...

 
Thanks for the photo of that alternative Ralph.

Will the integrated GPF/catalyst system impact the tuners who sell manifolds/exhausts with higher flowing cats to 981 Cayman s/GT4 owners? I assume you will have to have a GPF to have an MOT for the 718 GT4.

Snowy

 
snowy999 said:
Thanks for the photo of that alternative Ralph.

Will the integrated GPF/catalyst system impact the tuners who sell manifolds/exhausts with higher flowing cats to 981 Cayman s/GT4 owners? I assume you will have to have a GPF to have an MOT for the 718 GT4.

Snowy
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I can’t see 981 being affected as there is no requirement to fit a GPF or even OEM exhaust systems; simply need to pass MOT emissions test appropriate to original certification. Ditto for 718.

 
It’s a bit of a moot point because while it’s not illegal to remove a diesel particulate filter, it is illegal to drive without it if one should be fitted. I presume the same applies to a gasoline particulate filter, so that implies any 718 aftermarket exhaust system will need to have a GPF.

Jeff

 
We are in limbo land of crap cars imo.

the 992 should have been the 1st Sports Hybrid.

some money must be changing hands for petrol to be still king for a good few years yet.

the future for your daily is a hybrid, NOT full electric and the future for your fun car rests in circa 2010 era cars or classics if the car TAX goes mental, tax free classic's will go up 10 fold.

let the posers, facebookers and youtubers fight over the GT flippers cars, this new era of cars is pretty poor and will drop like a stone imho.

the 992 even lost it's group test to a 6 year old R8 !

 
Motorhead said:
It’s a bit of a moot point because while it’s not illegal to remove a diesel particulate filter, it is illegal to drive without it if one should be fitted. I presume the same applies to a gasoline particulate filter, so that implies any 718 aftermarket exhaust system will need to have a GPF.

Jeff
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But only if the 718 in question originally had a GPF. I would have thought that the GPF would in any event be upstream of the exhaust .... ??

 
I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that for a production car the exhaust treatment aesthetically looks messy and could be improved if the rear box was painted black to make it less obvious.

Jeff

 
Yep, 981 > 718 in looks department for me too, although some people are saying the 981 is starting to look a little dated. However, I quite like that! I was thinking earlier today that even if it is starting to date, it's dated in a good way. Much like a 964 versus a 993...

 
Apart from the fussy diffuser treatment Steve, I'm not sure that there's a great deal of difference; and I quite like the new rear spoiler.

They've made a neater job with the 718-6 treatment around the tailpipes by using semi-circular cut-outs rather than the rectangular cut-outs on the GT4. Puzzling that they didn't think of doing that in the first place for the GT4 diffuser.

Jeff

 
Twinfan said:
Yep, 981 > 718 in looks department for me too, although some people are saying the 981 is starting to look a little dated. However, I quite like that! I was thinking earlier today that even if it is starting to date, it's dated in a good way. Much like a 964 versus a 993...
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I think we saw the same comments about 'dated' on a PH thread. I think the chap was mostly referring to the interior. Having loaned a 718 I don't agree with him. My own impression was that the interior had moved away from Porsche and more towards Audi styling. I didn't get back in my 981GT4 and think this looks dated. Instead I thought this is more driver focused. Similarly, I thought the 718 exterior had become more rounded and not as aggressive as a 981.

 
Agreed. although the GT4 front end looks a bit sharper compared to the regular 718 cars. The 718 interior isn't great IMHO - the redesigned air vents and relocated sports chrono clock really annoy me!

As for quality, the 981 and 718 interiors feel the same to me and as always are spec dependent.

 
It looks as though the 718 is going to be with us until about 2023, so apart from fiddling with the front and rear PUs and perhaps the lights there's not much that can be done.

Personally, I've never liked the 981's central console "buttonfest" - dated technology and too much of an ergonomic nightmare in my eyes - which is still present in the 718. I'd assume that's an area which will be receiving attention in the next four years - in line with the 992's layout?

Jeff

 
Motorhead said:
It looks as though the 718 is going to be with us until about 2023, so apart from fiddling with the front and rear PUs and perhaps the lights there's not much that can be done.

Personally, I've never liked the 981's central console "buttonfest" - dated technology and too much of an ergonomic nightmare in my eyes - which is still present in the 718. I'd assume that's an area which will be receiving attention in the next four years - in line with the 992's layout?

Jeff
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I can confirm that it's a PITA to find the buttons to select sport, etc when you've already headed out on track and have your helmet on, gloves on and are travelling at 3 figure speeds because you forgot to do it while stationary in the garage! :ROFLMAO:

 
Steve Brookes said:
Motorhead said:
It looks as though the 718 is going to be with us until about 2023, so apart from fiddling with the front and rear PUs and perhaps the lights there's not much that can be done.

Personally, I've never liked the 981's central console "buttonfest" - dated technology and too much of an ergonomic nightmare in my eyes - which is still present in the 718. I'd assume that's an area which will be receiving attention in the next four years - in line with the 992's layout?

Jeff
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I can confirm that it's a PITA to find the buttons to select sport, etc when you've already headed out on track and have your helmet on, gloves on and are travelling at 3 figure speeds because you forgot to do it while stationary in the garage! :ROFLMAO:
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Steve,

I've done the same thing on occasion.......

This is where the mode dial switch on the 718 steering wheel becomes handy. It's not all a backward step on the 718.[;)]

Brian

 
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