cills or sills????

[911sse]

Also an Architect, it's always been 'cill'

 

[Hilux]

In my 25 years in the industry I've always dealt with cills.

Ditto but I`ve been in it 31 years [&:]

I'm head of technical for an Architects practice and it's always been cill,

Its always been cill for me too however I err on the side that it is primarily a masonry term and that sill seems to be the norm for all other aspects and more commom these days

 

[tiptop topcat]

ORIGINAL: mik_ok

No but I say Po-tay-toh. []

Can we have a thread about Break Pads? []

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[Fred Hindle]

Books are so old fashioned so use the internet to check out this link:-
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sill

If you change 'sill' for 'cill' you don't get much.

'Break Pads' - is that something to sit on whilst having your Kit-Kat? []

Cheers,

 

[924nutter]

ORIGINAL: Hilux

In my 25 years in the industry I've always dealt with cills.

Ditto but I`ve been in it 31 years [&:]

I'm head of technical for an Architects practice and it's always been cill,

Its always been cill for me too however I err on the side that it is primarily a masonry term and that sill seems to be the norm for all other aspects and more commom these days

Actually it used to be a schoolboy howler to write sill instead of cill when refering to something left on the window cill; for example, in "I did my homework but left it on a window cill and a dog ate it mistaking it for a meat pie." Now that, goes back to the 1958 when I started junior school. By all means evolve the language, but don't ever presume to tell people whose memory goes back further than the service history of the first 911 that "cill" is incorrect.
We haven't even mentioned the mis-hearing and mis-understanding of the word which for many year led them to be called door seals by many a split ar5e kerb mechanic. My inital reaction, upon hearing that a car failed the mot because the door seal was rotten was to say replace it it's only a bit of rubber. No Joking.
Easy solution, use the American term, and call them rocker panels. No relation to the rocker cover though.[>:]

 

[Fen]

Sills for me. Cills is becoming a pet-hate of mine almost of the magnitude of break pads. Apparently architects can't spell and think they have more knowledge of English than langauge specialists...

 

[John Sims]

Well [8|] it looks like we might all be right:-

Frank Hilton's "Purpose-made Joinery" (Longman 1978) has drawings on opposite pages which both refer to Sill and Cill.

"The Practical Carpenter and Joiner Illustrated" (Odhams 1940ish) only seems to refer to "Sills" but I'm sure I could find a Cill if I looked hard enough.

None the less, I come from a practical upbringing (a Carpenter and Joiner when we had proper apprenticeships) where we regard proper Architects with reverence so; if an Architect says it's "Cill" it's "Cill"

R J N Sims LCG ACIOB

 

[Fen]

What's the point of "cill"? It could be mispronounced "kill" and there is absolutely no confusion or problem with the obvious spelling "sill" to warrant the less logical spelling.

 

[John Sims]

ORIGINAL: Hilux

In my 25 years in the industry I've always dealt with cills.

Ditto but I`ve been in it 31 years [&:]

28 actually, but I like to think of myself as younger than I am. []

 

[tiptop topcat]

ORIGINAL: Fen

Apparently architects can't spell and think they have more knowledge of English than langauge specialists...

One can see your point. After all, what would someone that has had to reach the highest standards of eduction and then spent 7 years learning their profession before qualifying know about spelling?

but I will admit to being surprised to find the Oxford Dictionary listing the word and definition as "sill".

Goes to prove you never stop learning.

 

[924nutter]

ORIGINAL: Fen

Sills for me. Cills is becoming a pet-hate of mine almost of the magnitude of break pads. Apparently architects can't spell and think they have more knowledge of English than langauge specialists...

go here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Porsche-911-Door-Cill-Protection-Strips_W0QQitemZ230096138695QQihZ013QQcategoryZ10408QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230096138695

 

[John Sims]

While I'd like to use the eBay reference as support for the Classical spelling of Cill, I'm afraid a search on "Door Cill" returned five items where as "Door Sill" returned 251. []

 

[Paul Fraser]

ORIGINAL: tommo951
according to the dictionary John , incorrectly sir!!
But they do say you learn somnething new everyday.
They are indeed sills. Cills are things that probably belong to Cilla!
I have taken this definition and spelling from a friend who read English at Magdelene College
Cambridge. He even had to take advice on it!
The yanks unfortunately cannot spell. They forgot the minute the pilgrim father left the shores![]

I'm a little surprised that no-one has bothered to consult a decent dictionary (including, it would seem, your mate from MC).
The Oxford Compact English Dictionary, 1996 ed. lists 'cill' as a variant of 'sill', so suit yourselves.

 

[Fen]

ORIGINAL: tiptop topcat

ORIGINAL: Fen

Apparently architects can't spell and think they have more knowledge of English than langauge specialists...

One can see your point. After all, what would someone that has had to reach the highest standards of eduction and then spent 7 years learning their profession before qualifying know about spelling?

but I will admit to being surprised to find the Oxford Dictionary listing the word and definition as "sill".

Goes to prove you never stop learning.

Architects are people just like everyone else and people are wrong a proportion of the time. All of them.

I also don't see how it follows that someone who has spent 7 years studying what is effectively an specialised area of engineering would be good at spelling. On the other hand someone who has studied language at tertiary level I would expect to be able to spell. That's why architects design buildings and language specialists compile dictionaries.

Don't get me wrong I don't disrespect architects, but equally I don't put them on a pedestal/consider them any better than those in any other profession. Or even job for that matter. I consider and treat all people equal regardless of what they do - except for SCamera partnership scum.

 

[Fen]

ORIGINAL: Paul Fraser

ORIGINAL: tommo951
according to the dictionary John , incorrectly sir!!
But they do say you learn somnething new everyday.
They are indeed sills. Cills are things that probably belong to Cilla!
I have taken this definition and spelling from a friend who read English at Magdelene College
Cambridge. He even had to take advice on it!
The yanks unfortunately cannot spell. They forgot the minute the pilgrim father left the shores![]

I'm a little surprised that no-one has bothered to consult a decent dictionary (including, it would seem, your mate from MC).
The Oxford Compact English Dictionary, 1996 ed. lists 'cill' as a variant of 'sill', so suit yourselves.

You have to pay for the OED online I think, so I used Cambridge which has no entry for "cill".

 

[millview]

Touche' !! [][][]

 

[Paul Fraser]

ORIGINAL: Fen
You have to pay for the OED online I think, so I used Cambridge which has no entry for "cill".

At least you looked

 

[Fen]

So we are all agreed that we'll go with the OED which means that "sill" is primary, but "cill" is an acceptable variant? "Cill" just looks wrong to me, but I'm prepared to accept it isn't. I'm still keeping it as a pet hate (and it's childish to create a sentence like "I have lots of break dust on my cills" just to get on my thruppenies).

 

[tiptop topcat]

ORIGINAL: Fen

So we are all agreed that we'll go with the OED which means that "sill" is primary, but "cill" is an acceptable variant? "Cill" just looks wrong to me, but I'm prepared to accept it isn't. I'm still keeping it as a pet hate (and it's childish to create a sentence like "I have lots of break dust on my cills" just to get on my thruppenies).

Nope. Cill because that was what I was taught (when Jesuit's ruled!) and it is the common and accepted spelling within our industry. If my father wasn't swanning around somewhere in the Southern hemisphere I'd ask him whether it is derived from Latin or Greek.

I'll agree its not important though []

 

[Fen]

I agree it's not important, but...

Cill it may be in architecture, but the original question was in relation to cars ergo I propose architectural terminology is not the benchmark we should use.