First drive of the new turbo via an OPC

[Don Henshall]

The new 911 Turbo is indeed a fabulous car. I thoroughly enjoyed this mornings test drive using both main and country roads. The problem for me is I don't want to buy a new car and have the worry of massive depreciation. I have been offered the demo car but then your stuck with their choice of colour (spec also but they are normally well equipped so I could live with that). The down side for me is that the Porsche is almost to good (if that makes any sense) to perfect and therefore a little bland (for me). Its like the Honda Fireblade against a Ducati 1198s. The Honda is a magnificent motorcycle but it lacks that special intangible ingredient, the passion, that for me, the Ferrari has. No car can be all things to all men/women and all have their faults including the Ferrari. I was told a decent spec Turbo (Coupe) would cost approx. £10k and a Cab £120. I never say never but the Ferrari is edging it at the moment.

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: Don Henshall
I was told a decent spec Turbo (Coupe) would cost approx. £10k and a Cab £120.

I assume you meant £110k

I just spec'ed a coupe close to mine and it was over £125k! []

I couldn't see paddle shift option anywhere though on the configurator [&:]

 

[blueSL]

Alex, the paddle shift is under leather. As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your fully specc'd 997.1 turbo and after market add ons?

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: Alex L

ORIGINAL: RLambert

You must have more money than sense !

How much have you lost on your gen 1 997 Turbo and you want to do that again with another new one.

Not me! I'm definitely sticking. Why would I twist when I already have 21?!

Nicely put Alex - you've just got your car how you want it, why change it for anything else in a hurry. Enjoy it and run some miles up on it before you sell it on. The recent depreciation makes it pointless selling a car under 6 years old, unless the depreciation doesn't matter to the person selling (I wish).

Porsche improve their car's incrementally, so if I were in your shoes the next TT that I would look at seriously is the 991/998 TT, even then it might be a case of a trend back toward lightness and less power for emissions and other legislative reasons.

If you have cash eating away at your pocket a super car club might be good route to try out some of the exotics without the day to day pain/running costs while the Porker could stay your regular ride.

 

[blueSL]

ORIGINAL: Don Henshall

I never say never but the Ferrari is edging it at the moment.

I think it all depends on where the car will fit in your life. If the 911 is your only sports car, you will probably miss the rawness the Ferrari will give you. If the Ferrari is your only car, you'll curse it some days and love it the next.

I have a Ferrari - admittedly an ageing and less accomplished F355 - but there's no way I would consider using it as my daily driver. It's too vulnerable, too tiring to drive, too expensive to look after if something non-standard goes wrong. There's no way I'd ever sell it, either, because when the weather is right and my mood is as well, there's nothing better but after 50 or 100 miles, I've had my fix and it's time to return to the garage and listen to the tinking of the exhaust after I switch off the engine.

In between times, the supremely competent 911 turbo just delivers the goods, day in, day out.

 

[Don Henshall]

One question I can't answer, or work out an answer to is, both my Porsche/Ferrari main dealer strongly advise me NOT to purchase a nearly new car (Ferrari or Porsche) from a 'Specialist'? Having looked at the usual places on the internet, as far as pricing is concerned, there seems little difference. Obviously you have to be careful and check the cars history and condition but once satisfied why wouldn't you? A lot of these 'Specialists' have been around for some time so I assume they are reliable and honest as they wouldn't survive. Thought I would share this information with you and ask for your thoughts.

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: blueSL

Alex, the paddle shift is under leather. As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your fully specc'd 997.1 turbo and after market add ons?

Thanks.

I paid £114k for factory (incl. SC, PCCB, LSD, ASS, and loads of other goodies) and about £18k for aftermarket (wheels, exhaust, powerkit, suspension - including fitting). So about £132k total. If Porsche actually did lightweight wheel, sports exhaust, powerkit, and sports suspension options from the factory then I am sure it would have cost me a lot more! Although, I certainly would have paid for them rather than going aftermarket. But they gave me no choice and these are all things that the Turbo certainly needs.

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: okellyt
Porsche improve their car's incrementally, so if I were in your shoes the next TT that I would look at seriously is the 991/998 TT, even then it might be a case of a trend back toward lightness and less power for emissions and other legislative reasons.

If they made the 991 Turbo 200kg lighter with current power (500bhp) then I would be all over that!

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: Alex L

ORIGINAL: okellyt
Porsche improve their car's incrementally, so if I were in your shoes the next TT that I would look at seriously is the 991/998 TT, even then it might be a case of a trend back toward lightness and less power for emissions and other legislative reasons.

If they made the 991 Turbo 200kg lighter with current power (500bhp) then I would be all over that!

Porsche have had my letter of intent for 3 years now!

Regards,

Clive

 

[marlin]

ORIGINAL: Alex L

ORIGINAL: okellyt
Porsche improve their car's incrementally, so if I were in your shoes the next TT that I would look at seriously is the 991/998 TT, even then it might be a case of a trend back toward lightness and less power for emissions and other legislative reasons.

If they made the 991 Turbo 200kg lighter with current power (500bhp) then I would be all over that!

easy drag the seats out []

 

[blueSL]

I took out the standard (non-adaptive) sports seats out of my old car before selling it to clean, by goodness they weigh a ton, so Porsche could certainly save some weight there. The weight savings of the new car, while in the right direction, are a little tame.

 

[Rotorhead]

ORIGINAL: blueSL

I took out the standard (non-adaptive) sports seats out of my old car before selling it to clean, by goodness they weigh a ton, so Porsche could certainly save some weight there. The weight savings of the new car, while in the right direction, are a little tame.

Weight saving is very important - it benefits all the car's dynamic characteristics.

Seats and their subframes are very heavy. The original 2.7RS Touring had Recarro sports seats that also weighed enough to put your back out if you tried to pick them up quickly [:-] The 2.7 RS Lightweight had lwt bucket seats which made a useful saving.

Fortunately, seat weight is located low in the car and very central. The electric sunroof also adds a lot of weight - but in the wrong place. Fortunately this is now an option.

But, it's unsprung weight that is best saved, and the difference between a ceramic brake and a steel brake comes as quite a surprise if you pick them up (Aston demonstrate this on their factory tour). And the new, optional centre lock wheels apparently save a further useful 2kg per corner.

It would be helpful if the options list had the 'weight saved' or 'weight added' next to each item. Instead, most buyers just look at the financial cost.

In racing you always reduce weight before adding power.

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: oliver

In racing you always reduce weight before adding power.

And that goes for the driver too![]

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: tscaptain

ORIGINAL: oliver

In racing you always reduce weight before adding power.

And that goes for the driver too![]

Yeh, but that's harder than drilling a couple of holes in the ignition key! [8|]

Regards,

Clive

 

[beavercraig]

Not to be a damp squid but I am really pxxd off at the depreciation I have had both with my 996tt and my 997tt.[][]

Once my 996tt has gone I think I am going to stay away from toys for a while and lick my wounds!

Being the soft person I am, I am sure it won't be for too long as I have put letters of intent on a 998GT3 and a 998Turbo!

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[tscaptain]

I wouldn't fret if I were you. I've found that my concern for things like massive depreciation and the like is inversely proportional to my age, i.e I'm going to attempt to spend it (and enjoy it) before my kids get the chance.[] Anyway, I thought all squids were damp - it's the squibs you need to keep dry[]

 

[hdoherty]

yeah
this in no rehearsal with no rewind, depreciation is a way of life. i sold my 997 turbo approx 2 months ago as was advised by my opc gt3 was nov build would have in dec. info today is leaving factory dec9 will have for xmas. two months we have really missed turbo and had three years of super car where it never failed to impress regardless of depreciation. those b......ds in rbs cost me a hell of alot more and we had no fun . dont plan to ever be without a porsche again for 2 months

 

[marlin]

ORIGINAL: hdoherty

yeah
this in no rehearsal with no rewind, depreciation  is a way of life. i sold my 997 turbo approx 2 months ago as was advised by my opc gt3 was nov build would have in dec. info today is leaving factory dec9 will have for xmas. two months we have really missed turbo and had three years of super car where it never failed to impress regardless of depreciation. those b......ds in rbs cost me a hell of alot more and we had no fun . dont plan to ever be without a porsche again for 2 months

Well said that man []

 

[hdoherty]

and you know what really is going to make my day tomorrow, im on jury service tomorrow(have been for the last three weeks) but all cases so far have been directed by the judge in their outcoming. apparently its a banker on trial tomorrow for fraud, guess were he,s going, f.....g jail. thats how fair i am and i will uphold the individual rights guilty until proven innocent.

 

[beavercraig]

997 C2S Gen2 mit Doppelkupplungsgetriebe - going,

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