First drive of the new turbo via an OPC

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: beavercraig

997 C2S Gen2 mit Doppelkupplungsgetriebe - going,

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It might not be what you think Craig..............but as I don't know what you think, it might not be what I think you think..........[] A good spot though all the same.
And Hugh, the previous poster, I hope they don't lock you away for contempt![][]

 

[okellyt]

So TS are you selling your PDK C2S already? You've only had it 5 mins.

 

[hdoherty]

sitting here in maghebarry jail, apparently the banker was a brother of the judge. anybody want to buy a gen 2 gt3 for xmas

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: okellyt

So TS are you selling your PDK C2S already? You've only had it 5 mins.

And? So? Maybe! Wait and see............[]

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: tscaptain

ORIGINAL: okellyt

So TS are you selling your PDK C2S already? You've only had it 5 mins.

And?  So?  Maybe!  Wait and see............[]

Picard betrayed???????? [8|]

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL:
okellyt
Picard betrayed???????? [8|]

Beamed down to Planet Porsche.............?[] Or should I Klingon......?[]

 

[Don Henshall]

ORIGINAL: blueSL

ORIGINAL: Don Henshall

I never say never but the Ferrari is edging it at the moment.

I think it all depends on where the car will fit in your life. If the 911 is your only sports car, you will probably miss the rawness the Ferrari will give you. If the Ferrari is your only car, you'll curse it some days and love it the next.

I have a Ferrari - admittedly an ageing and less accomplished F355 - but there's no way I would consider using it as my daily driver. It's too vulnerable, too tiring to drive, too expensive to look after if something non-standard goes wrong. There's no way I'd ever sell it, either, because when the weather is right and my mood is as well, there's nothing better but after 50 or 100 miles, I've had my fix and it's time to return to the garage and listen to the tinking of the exhaust after I switch off the engine.

In between times, the supremely competent 911 turbo just delivers the goods, day in, day out.

Well, I must be one of the few people to go to a Ferrari dealership with the money to buy and leave with my money and a feeling of complete and utter disappointment. The F430 Spyder is an accomplished and beautiful looking car but I didn't enjoy it at all. It is what it is and it does what it does very well. I would describe it as RAW and edgy which is brilliant if that is what you want but sadly it wasn't for me. I can say that the Porsche, whilst lacking (for me) the passion of a Ferrari beats it hands down in every department in the real world. The dealer experience was less than I expected (I'm being restrained and polite to say the least). The only good thing is I will be keeping my 911 for another year and I have replaced my Disco 3 for a fully loaded D4 HSE. So overall not a bad result [] The Ferrari California (which I have also driven) is another story.......

 

[jonathanw]

Well, I must be one of the few people to go to a Ferrari dealership with the money to buy and leave with my money and a feeling of complete and utter disappointment. The F430 Spyder is an accomplished and beautiful looking car but I didn't enjoy it at all. It is what it is and it does what it does very well. I would describe it as RAW and edgy which is brilliant if that is what you want but sadly it wasn't for me. I can say that the Porsche, whilst lacking (for me) the passion of a Ferrari beats it hands down in every department in the real world. The dealer experience was less than I expected (I'm being restrained and polite to say the least). The only good thing is I will be keeping my 911 for another year and I have replaced my Disco 3 for a fully loaded D4 HSE. So overall not a bad result [] The Ferrari California (which I have also driven) is another story.......
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Don

I recently got my wife a fully loaded Disco 4 HSE. What a peach of a car. My 911 has become a garage queen now during the terrble weather.

 

[blueSL]

Have to say I agree. For all the wonderful attributes of a high performance car, a lot of every day stuff is better served by a more mundane car and it's easy to see the attraction of a 4X4 for all the practicality. I use a Subaru Impreza turbo 5 door - yes, the odd looking one - which just goes on and on, shrugs off the inevitable parking dings and while I sort out my garage in readiness for the new car is most often to be seen these days taking stuff I planned to sell on ebay one day to the dump. Try that in a Ferrari!

I think the new 458 pushes Ferrari's game forwards, but at a price. The residual value of my once-crashed F355 means it's worth keeping to enjoy it when the opportunity arises but it's a toy. I'm pleased I never succumbed to temptation to buy a 360 or 430.

 

[Lancerlot]

ORIGINAL: Don Henshall
Well, I must be one of the few people to go to a Ferrari dealership with the money to buy and leave with my money and a feeling of complete and utter disappointment. The F430 Spyder is an accomplished and beautiful looking car but I didn't enjoy it at all. It is what it is and it does what it does very well. I would describe it as RAW and edgy which is brilliant if that is what you want but sadly it wasn't for me. I can say that the Porsche, whilst lacking (for me) the passion of a Ferrari beats it hands down in every department in the real world. The dealer experience was less than I expected (I'm being restrained and polite to say the least). The only good thing is I will be keeping my 911 for another year and I have replaced my Disco 3 for a fully loaded D4 HSE. So overall not a bad result [] The Ferrari California (which I have also driven) is another story.......

Don,

Perhaps you should try another Ferrari dealer! [8|]

Dealer experience is all part and parcel in creating an overall impression and you do need someone who is a.) interested and b.) enthusiastic about the marque.

Try Nigel Jeffrey at Carrs Ferrari in Exeter 01392 822884 - I guarantee you'll get a different slant on these cars with him.

Regards,

Clive

 

[tscaptain]

EVO and Chris Harris do a "Top Gear"

http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetevovideos/246160/porsche_911_turbo.html

Pity he didn't do the proper launch with 5000rpm - the Coke would be coming out of his ears!

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: tscaptain

EVO and Chris Harris do a "Top Gear"

http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetevovideos/246160/porsche_911_turbo.html

Pity he didn't do the proper launch with 5000rpm - the Coke would be coming out of his ears!

Really, a Zonda will only just do 8s to 100mph?!

A GT2 is supposed to do it in 7.4s. My powerkit is supposed to do it in 6.8s, which is incidentally what that press 997.2 Turbo PDK also did it in (during that 3.1s 0-60mph run). Officially though I think the 997.2 Turbo is 7.4s with PDK and Sports+

 

[Alex L]

Some other test results....

AMS

911 Turbo PDK, price as tested €173.925

Five star rating.

Weight: 1584 kg
0 - 100: 3,2 sec
0 - 160: 7,2 sec
0 - 200: 11,2 sec
400 m: 11,2 sec (200 kph)
60 - 100: 3,1 / 4,6 / 6,2 (4th / 5th / 6th)
80 - 120: 3,0 / 3,8 / 4,9 / 7,7 (4th / 5th / 6th / 7th)

18 m slalom: 66,7 kph
110 mevasive test: 141,9 kph
Consumption: 15,3 l/100 km (average)

Braking distance from 100 kph: 35 m (cold) / 34 m (warm)
Braking distance from 190 kph: 126 m

SportAuto

* Tyres: Bridgestone Potenza RE050A N1 (Michelin Pilot Sport 2 N1)
* Weight: 1603 kg (1580 kg)

* Vmax.: 312 km/h (310 km/h)

* 0-60 km/h: 1,7 s (1,7 s)
* 0-100 km/h: 3,2 s (3,8 s)
* 0-160 km/h: 7,2 s (8,4 s)
* 0-200 km/h: 11,1 s (12,7 s)

* 80-120 km/h (4th/5th/6th): 2,9 s/3,7 s/4,8 s (3,0 s/4,0 s/6,0 s)
* 80-180 km/h (4th/5th/6th): 7,8 s/9,7 s/12,4 s (7,9 s/9,6 s/13,5 s)

* 18 m slalom: 70,1 km/h (68,4 km/h)
* Hockenheimring: 1.11,9 min (1.13,7 min)

* Braking 100-0 km/h (warm): 34,6 m (34,3 m)
* Braking 200-0 km/h (warm): 138,0 m (137,4 m)
* 0-200-0 km/h: 16,1 s (17,6 s)

* Avg. fuel consumption: 16,4 l/100 km (18,8 l/100 km)
* Price as tested: €172.575 (€148.451 - 2006)

Autozeitung

0-100km/h - 3,2s

0-200km/h - 10,4s