Indi9xx
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On the subject of lighting the touch paper, as mentioned by ExSkyline for saying something controversal, like a Turbo is better than an S2 [
], and for the sake of discussion...
The motoring press, for years have banged on about handling, Porsche worked for years to make a 911 go around a corner without swapping ends, koni, Bilstein and KW will sell you some wonderful goodies to make your car handle better, people search for the widest wheels for their cars.. For years we have all commended different cars that went round corners like it was on rails... the list goes on..
Sometimes, it takes someone to stand up and say.. "I have an idea.." even though, there is every chance that they might think the idea is a bit foolish, and everyone might shoot them down for it.. and for months I have had an idea burning in my head.
Do you own your cars for ultimate lap times? Or do you own your cars for fun?
Now stick with me for a moment, because this is not the kind of thing that you will hear someone like me say very often, but I would love to hear other peoples views...
I used to own a Capri when I was a nipper.. Everyone used to say "Ah Capri.. Does not handle well.. you want to throw a bag of cement in the boot.." But I used to think, it handles amazingly.. it goes around corners when I want it too.. But if I want, it will also swoop around a corner sideways in a completely controllable way, but at low enough speeds in the wet that if I lost it, the worst that would happen would be bashing a cheap to replace back wheel against a curb..
That car had far less power than a 944S2 or turbo, about the same as a 944 lux.. and it had 185 or 205 width tyres..
And I just know I am going to get slated for this, but.. over the years I have had all kinds of exotic cars, 911 Turbo's, a 993RS, 944's of every type, 928's even a Boxster.... And even though I have had fun thundering along at balistic speeds, and going round corners at mad speeds... That Capri, did something different, it allowed me to have some serious fun inside the speed limit. Especially in the wet..
It was not that it would loose control of the back end constantly, I don't think I ever lost the back end at any time other than when I wanted to.... It is that when it would loose it, it would loose it progressively, it was easy to wind in opposite lock and when you ran out of opposite lock, you could continue to counter the oversteer by modulating the throttle... lovely!
I was always disappointed with Sierras, they had an IRS back end which was more snappy, when they lost it, they tended to loose it quickly, compared with the Capri live axle.
But all of this was buried deep in the back of my mind, that is, until Jeremy Clarkson tested the Toyota GT86 (?) which he commended because of due to its skinny tyres and ample power to traction ratio, it was fun to drive at road legal speeds.
Which makes me think... A nice cheap 944 Lux, skinny tyres, some decent anti roll bars to keep it flat, some good shocks to make it predictable, maybe some lower profile tyres to lower the gearing, set up for fun, not for ultimate track times, could be a seriously awesome disposable daily driver and maybe even a great budget trackday (you know, the type that E30's and slower cars go to, rather than Porsche or supercar ones)
Don't get me wrong.. I do think drifting is the most boring sport in the world.. to watch at least.. and I do know this notion is juvenile and probably not very grown up, and probably condoling wreckless driving, albeit at road legal speeds..
But maybe... Just maybe.. everyone or some of us have the wrong goal.. Unless you really want awesome lap times on a track.. for fun.. maybe we should be looking at having some lower speed, predictable and progressive fun.. and I think the 944 Lux in particular would be up for it.
For high speed cruising, fast trackdays, the nurburgring, spa, silverstone etc.. A 944 Turbo or S2 is the daddy.. But for something to burn to and from work, something to look forward to rainy evenings, or to take out at night "Just because the roads are quiet", I think a car like this would be awesome, cheap and fun.
What do you guys think?
], and for the sake of discussion...The motoring press, for years have banged on about handling, Porsche worked for years to make a 911 go around a corner without swapping ends, koni, Bilstein and KW will sell you some wonderful goodies to make your car handle better, people search for the widest wheels for their cars.. For years we have all commended different cars that went round corners like it was on rails... the list goes on..
Sometimes, it takes someone to stand up and say.. "I have an idea.." even though, there is every chance that they might think the idea is a bit foolish, and everyone might shoot them down for it.. and for months I have had an idea burning in my head.
Do you own your cars for ultimate lap times? Or do you own your cars for fun?
Now stick with me for a moment, because this is not the kind of thing that you will hear someone like me say very often, but I would love to hear other peoples views...
I used to own a Capri when I was a nipper.. Everyone used to say "Ah Capri.. Does not handle well.. you want to throw a bag of cement in the boot.." But I used to think, it handles amazingly.. it goes around corners when I want it too.. But if I want, it will also swoop around a corner sideways in a completely controllable way, but at low enough speeds in the wet that if I lost it, the worst that would happen would be bashing a cheap to replace back wheel against a curb..
That car had far less power than a 944S2 or turbo, about the same as a 944 lux.. and it had 185 or 205 width tyres..
And I just know I am going to get slated for this, but.. over the years I have had all kinds of exotic cars, 911 Turbo's, a 993RS, 944's of every type, 928's even a Boxster.... And even though I have had fun thundering along at balistic speeds, and going round corners at mad speeds... That Capri, did something different, it allowed me to have some serious fun inside the speed limit. Especially in the wet..
It was not that it would loose control of the back end constantly, I don't think I ever lost the back end at any time other than when I wanted to.... It is that when it would loose it, it would loose it progressively, it was easy to wind in opposite lock and when you ran out of opposite lock, you could continue to counter the oversteer by modulating the throttle... lovely!
I was always disappointed with Sierras, they had an IRS back end which was more snappy, when they lost it, they tended to loose it quickly, compared with the Capri live axle.
But all of this was buried deep in the back of my mind, that is, until Jeremy Clarkson tested the Toyota GT86 (?) which he commended because of due to its skinny tyres and ample power to traction ratio, it was fun to drive at road legal speeds.
Which makes me think... A nice cheap 944 Lux, skinny tyres, some decent anti roll bars to keep it flat, some good shocks to make it predictable, maybe some lower profile tyres to lower the gearing, set up for fun, not for ultimate track times, could be a seriously awesome disposable daily driver and maybe even a great budget trackday (you know, the type that E30's and slower cars go to, rather than Porsche or supercar ones)
Don't get me wrong.. I do think drifting is the most boring sport in the world.. to watch at least.. and I do know this notion is juvenile and probably not very grown up, and probably condoling wreckless driving, albeit at road legal speeds..
But maybe... Just maybe.. everyone or some of us have the wrong goal.. Unless you really want awesome lap times on a track.. for fun.. maybe we should be looking at having some lower speed, predictable and progressive fun.. and I think the 944 Lux in particular would be up for it.
For high speed cruising, fast trackdays, the nurburgring, spa, silverstone etc.. A 944 Turbo or S2 is the daddy.. But for something to burn to and from work, something to look forward to rainy evenings, or to take out at night "Just because the roads are quiet", I think a car like this would be awesome, cheap and fun.
What do you guys think?
