GT4 .... "Keep" or "Sell" ???!!!
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I am not sure why we have this debate, but it is always an interesting conversation about motivation. If you pile the miles on any car it will lose money in relation to others of its type. Higher miles = higher cost. No surprise there.
So, if you buy a car to use and are not using it, sell. If you buy a car to polish as an investment and you can get a better return elsewhere, sell. If you buy a car to use, but don't want a big financial hit, sell. if, on the other hand, you can afford to spend money on a car and get a real kick out of driving it, then accept the cost and have fun. That's my logic anyway.
So, if you buy a car to use and are not using it, sell. If you buy a car to polish as an investment and you can get a better return elsewhere, sell. If you buy a car to use, but don't want a big financial hit, sell. if, on the other hand, you can afford to spend money on a car and get a real kick out of driving it, then accept the cost and have fun. That's my logic anyway.
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This feels like it needs to be made into a handy flow-chart.
My [inexpensive] 2007 987.1 S has 55k miles on it and I drive it every chance I get, in all conditions. The joy of a car like that is just how versatile it is, and how well it handles in all conditions. I bought it to drive it. It wears stone chips with pride and I'll depreciate it all the way down to £0 and it would still be amazing value for money in terms of £ per grin.
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This feels like it needs to be made into a handy flow-chart.
My [inexpensive] 2007 987.1 S has 55k miles on it and I drive it every chance I get, in all conditions. The joy of a car like that is just how versatile it is, and how well it handles in all conditions. I bought it to drive it. It wears stone chips with pride and I'll depreciate it all the way down to £0 and it would still be amazing value for money in terms of £ per grin.
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Brian_Innes
Member
Well done T.
Now there's a down-to-earth, and grounded take on Porsche ownership.
Brian
Now there's a down-to-earth, and grounded take on Porsche ownership.
Brian
Just buy more cars, I do loads of miles but I own 4 cars so the mileage is split, my GT4 is on 5.5k now it seems to have made no odds on value bar one under 1k miles, so imo just drive it and if values are an issue sell it at 9k miles They fetch the same from 1 to 9k imo.
golf clubsport is mega I have racked up 4K in that in 6 months.
and put 6k on my R and 1k on my Spyder.
Thats 16k miles and a load of fun plus a choice of what to take.
GT4 with 10k would still go for 5k over list !
I would not swap for a GTS , they are not value at £80k and 30k miles.
golf clubsport is mega I have racked up 4K in that in 6 months.
and put 6k on my R and 1k on my Spyder.
Thats 16k miles and a load of fun plus a choice of what to take.
GT4 with 10k would still go for 5k over list !
I would not swap for a GTS , they are not value at £80k and 30k miles.
I know what you mean, but actually Porsche make cars to sell, at a profit - which is where this thread came in I suppose.mdavey said:My view is either drive the car more or sell it. Porsche makes cars to drive. Life is to short with a Porsche to have it sitting in a garrage
TerryUrquhart
Member
PaulJ said:I know what you mean, but actually Porsche make cars to sell, at a profit - which is where this thread came in I suppose.mdavey said:My view is either drive the car more or sell it. Porsche makes cars to drive. Life is to short with a Porsche to have it sitting in a garrage
Thats a bit of an obvious statement isn't it?
Dont all car makers do that?
In essence Porsche make Sports Cars that the owner can drive ..... not just a Euro box .....'to make money'.....
I still say sell it at a reasonable price to someone who will appreciate it!!
TerryUrquhart
Member
Do you know what I love about my GT4?
( apart from ;
1- The sound
2- The performance
3- The handling
4- The connection with the car
5- The fact that it makes me look back at it each time I get out of it..
6- The fact that I have to feel if the rear tyres ate 'sticky' after i pull up in my drive...
7- The fact that I love washing the insect life of it ...
is ......
that it DOESn't have that bl00dy Stop/ start function!!!!!
who ever heard of a Sports car with an infuriating thing like that ...!!!
what cobbler5555....!
( apart from ;
1- The sound
2- The performance
3- The handling
4- The connection with the car
5- The fact that it makes me look back at it each time I get out of it..
6- The fact that I have to feel if the rear tyres ate 'sticky' after i pull up in my drive...
7- The fact that I love washing the insect life of it ...
is ......
that it DOESn't have that bl00dy Stop/ start function!!!!!
who ever heard of a Sports car with an infuriating thing like that ...!!!
what cobbler5555....!
Brian_Innes
Member
Terry,
Agree that Stop/start can be infuriating.......
However there is a neat solution on the centre console in the form of a toggle switch to disable it........or, use Sport mode like I do.
Stop/start is merely another tool in the emissions campaign that unfortunately manufactures fit to please the Co2 police and lower their overall group emissions tally.
It will be interesting to see if Porsche have Stop/start on the new 718 GT4. That's supposing this car ever arrives before the hybrid/all electric versions that surely must be on the horizon now.
Brian
Agree that Stop/start can be infuriating.......
However there is a neat solution on the centre console in the form of a toggle switch to disable it........or, use Sport mode like I do.
Stop/start is merely another tool in the emissions campaign that unfortunately manufactures fit to please the Co2 police and lower their overall group emissions tally.
It will be interesting to see if Porsche have Stop/start on the new 718 GT4. That's supposing this car ever arrives before the hybrid/all electric versions that surely must be on the horizon now.
Brian
No stop/start on mine. Awful devices, can't remember if it was a delete option
TerryUrquhart
Member
I have this option on my Cayenne and it's that one that infuriates me ...
Its seitchable but I don't always remember to switch it off when I get in ...
as mentioned it's off in Sport/ sport plus mode but you can't drive a Cayenne in Sport/ S plus mode every time .... well ... you can but it shreds tyres ( quicker than usual!)
in the Macan , I believe it starts up in the last mode it was in prior to ignition off ?? Porsche say they cannot do this for the Cayenne .... oh yes they could ... it's only a software mod..!
Its seitchable but I don't always remember to switch it off when I get in ...
as mentioned it's off in Sport/ sport plus mode but you can't drive a Cayenne in Sport/ S plus mode every time .... well ... you can but it shreds tyres ( quicker than usual!)
in the Macan , I believe it starts up in the last mode it was in prior to ignition off ?? Porsche say they cannot do this for the Cayenne .... oh yes they could ... it's only a software mod..!
TerryUrquhart
Member
Sorry OP ... strayed off topic..!
chaz1
New member
Whatever the car you have you are but a custodian for the time you own it.
If investment is your primary focus then there are better things to do.
If secondary drive and enjoy.
A friend has an original Lotus Eleven to him it's a piece of art and a car second.
Porsche are certainly beautiful to look at.
He derives great pleasure from looking cleaning etc
He does drive it as all cars need to be driven
To him it's value is secondary a nice by product, but if it wasn't there he would still own it.
So is it pleasure or profit!
Driving window
Personal I prefer early morning. The roads are certainly clearer at the weekend.
I live in the southeast so unfortunately it is always a tad busy.
I find I need a purpose or end point to the drive. I drive or ride with friends.
I tend to plan routes for the group so they involve more back roads with less traffic and an interesting destination.
Both Garmin Tom and others do windy roads
Breakfast at the end and leisurely drive back when there is more traffic.
The group tends to do a road trip every year.
We went to Laon and also Stelvio.
I understand you quandary.
For me the enjoyment versus cost is currently on the wrong side but I am only just into my second year so I hope it all comes good.
Good luck with your decision whatever you choice you have owned one of the most accomplished Cayman's
If investment is your primary focus then there are better things to do.
If secondary drive and enjoy.
A friend has an original Lotus Eleven to him it's a piece of art and a car second.
Porsche are certainly beautiful to look at.
He derives great pleasure from looking cleaning etc
He does drive it as all cars need to be driven
To him it's value is secondary a nice by product, but if it wasn't there he would still own it.
So is it pleasure or profit!
Driving window
Personal I prefer early morning. The roads are certainly clearer at the weekend.
I live in the southeast so unfortunately it is always a tad busy.
I find I need a purpose or end point to the drive. I drive or ride with friends.
I tend to plan routes for the group so they involve more back roads with less traffic and an interesting destination.
Both Garmin Tom and others do windy roads
Breakfast at the end and leisurely drive back when there is more traffic.
The group tends to do a road trip every year.
We went to Laon and also Stelvio.
I understand you quandary.
For me the enjoyment versus cost is currently on the wrong side but I am only just into my second year so I hope it all comes good.
Good luck with your decision whatever you choice you have owned one of the most accomplished Cayman's
From your comments you see the GTI and M3 as cars you favour over the GT4, you drive / choose those first and if you don't have time to track it where it would stand head and shoulders above the other 2 then you know the decision and in reality you have made your mind up and just want confirmation.
I bought mine in March with 300 miles and 2 previous owners, I paid overs but got a well specced car, I was not lucky enough to be allowed to purchase new despite having owned several nice Porsche's. I have probably lost the overs payment already with prices going down but I have already had 6000 miles of fun mainly on Porsche events, road trips, (just back from 2000 miles in France with 2x GT3's and a GT2) and a couple of track days. I disagree with the comment that a GT4 has a small usage window. It is a usable car and is great fun to drive. I also own an A45 AMG and a 208GTI but that does not stop me using the GT4. Cars in general depreciate accept it, be grateful if you are lucky enough to get a few years free motoring but don't leave it in the garage.
Hopefully I will have lady luck on my side when they release the 718 GT4.
Sell !! []
I bought mine in March with 300 miles and 2 previous owners, I paid overs but got a well specced car, I was not lucky enough to be allowed to purchase new despite having owned several nice Porsche's. I have probably lost the overs payment already with prices going down but I have already had 6000 miles of fun mainly on Porsche events, road trips, (just back from 2000 miles in France with 2x GT3's and a GT2) and a couple of track days. I disagree with the comment that a GT4 has a small usage window. It is a usable car and is great fun to drive. I also own an A45 AMG and a 208GTI but that does not stop me using the GT4. Cars in general depreciate accept it, be grateful if you are lucky enough to get a few years free motoring but don't leave it in the garage.
Hopefully I will have lady luck on my side when they release the 718 GT4.
Sell !! [
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My 2p FWIW.. Its a very individual question. Ultimately is your choice and obviously you're in a dilemma, hence the reason for your post.
Perhaps think about what car you would really like (perhaps harping back to one you have previously owned) and one that will give you the buzz that you are after and then decide whether that's worth releasing the GT4.
I've just parted with an M3 having owned it for 8 years. For the later half of those 8, I've dithered, as to what to do; keep or sell I knew it was a decision I had to come to myself. In the end although I was captivated by its performance and practicality, the bond wasn't strong enough, even though there is a strong possibility that it will become a classic! but how long do you wait.
Once I made the decision to sell there was no going back.
I'm currently awaiting collection of a stunning sapphire blue Cayman GTS.
Don't look back move forward
Good luck with your decision.
Perhaps think about what car you would really like (perhaps harping back to one you have previously owned) and one that will give you the buzz that you are after and then decide whether that's worth releasing the GT4.
I've just parted with an M3 having owned it for 8 years. For the later half of those 8, I've dithered, as to what to do; keep or sell I knew it was a decision I had to come to myself. In the end although I was captivated by its performance and practicality, the bond wasn't strong enough, even though there is a strong possibility that it will become a classic! but how long do you wait.
Once I made the decision to sell there was no going back.
I'm currently awaiting collection of a stunning sapphire blue Cayman GTS.
Don't look back move forward
Good luck with your decision.
I've had mine for more than 2 years now. I've covered 9000 miles, all of them for the fun of it. One of the 'up' sides of adding miles is that it has loosened up noticeably and feels much quicker than when it only had, say, 3000 recorded miles. The top end feels more eager than before, too. All subjective but it is something that I'm noticing more and more.
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