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GT4 RS - any information from OPCs?

Twinfan said:
I don't think they'll bother doing that Jeff - what's the point? Cars are selling as they are and they seem to want to invest in EVs not facelifts.

I reckon the cars will stay as-is until they're discontinued.
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That’s the most likely scenario Dave, but if 718 production continues for one or two years into electricland it’s going to have to soldier on for another four or five years, which is a very long time for a modern car. At the end of the day it’s down to continuing demand … as well as the bean-counters!

Jeff

 
Back on the subject of the GT4RS, I posted this elsewhere but will add it to the discussion here:

I think this car is going to be a real challenge to allocate for OPCs.

VIP clients, big spenders will want one because it's an RS Flippers will want one to cash in for profit Cayman fans will want one because it's the daddy Track rats will want one because performance per pound it'll be good value etc

All the above applies to the GT3 and GT3RS of course, but with the price of entry (probably) being lower and the 992 having challenging looks you can see the pool of wannabe owners for the GT4RS being pretty damn large. Even more so than for GT 911 products IMHO. The pool of prospective buyers has doubled/tripled/whatever.

If the car is going to be as limited as rumoured (1-2 per OPC in the first batch, possiby the only batch if it's a numbered car) then it's an impossible job to allocate them. It's potentially worse than the 911R or 997.2 GT3RS 4.0 all over again...

 
Twinfan said:
Back on the subject of the GT4RS, I posted this elsewhere but will add it to the discussion here:

I think this car is going to be a real challenge to allocate for OPCs.

VIP clients, big spenders will want one because it's an RS Flippers will want one to cash in for profit Cayman fans will want one because it's the daddy Track rats will want one because performance per pound it'll be good value etc

All the above applies to the GT3 and GT3RS of course, but with the price of entry (probably) being lower and the 992 having challenging looks you can see the pool of wannabe owners for the GT4RS being pretty damn large. Even more so than for GT 911 products IMHO. The pool of prospective buyers has doubled/tripled/whatever.

If the car is going to be as limited as rumoured (1-2 per OPC in the first batch, possiby the only batch if it's a numbered car) then it's an impossible job to allocate them. It's potentially worse than the 911R or 997.2 GT3RS 4.0 all over again...
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At the same time (and this is pure speculation on my behalf), we can hope that Porsche may have foreseen this. Indeed, if there's any truth in the 718 line continuing onward to 2024, I would hope that we would see all of the 718 models being produced up to that point (i.e. multiple rounds of GT4 RS). Again, pure speculation but I'm guessing it would be in Porsche's financial interest to produce more of these than just 1-2k.

 
True if they're looking for financial reward, but not if they're looking at a halo product, brand awareness, marketing etc. Keeping the demand higher than the supply is all part of the game.

Macans and Cayennes are where the money comes in...

 
they always seem to make 5000 WW on any thing these days. So I guess they will do the same it's not a numbered car, 5000 split between this and the RS Spyder I guess.

Massive money in GT cars for them it's NOT a loss leader !

 
Twinfan said:
Back on the subject of the GT4RS, I posted this elsewhere but will add it to the discussion here:

I think this car is going to be a real challenge to allocate for OPCs.

VIP clients, big spenders will want one because it's an RS Flippers will want one to cash in for profit Cayman fans will want one because it's the daddy Track rats will want one because performance per pound it'll be good value etc

All the above applies to the GT3 and GT3RS of course, but with the price of entry (probably) being lower and the 992 having challenging looks you can see the pool of wannabe owners for the GT4RS being pretty damn large. Even more so than for GT 911 products IMHO. The pool of prospective buyers has doubled/tripled/whatever.

If the car is going to be as limited as rumoured (1-2 per OPC in the first batch, possiby the only batch if it's a numbered car) then it's an impossible job to allocate them. It's potentially worse than the 911R or 997.2 GT3RS 4.0 all over again...
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Some valid points there Dave, although I can’t help but point out that it’s of Porsche’s own making so I have no sympathy with their situation. And with the 992 GT3 and RS being much more hardcore I can’t help but feel that owners of 991 GT3s will be attracted to a more user-friendly trackday car in the GT4 RS, adding to the mix of potential customers.

Regarding Porsche profitability I recall reading an article a few years ago which said that Porsche make an operating profit of something like £12.5k per car (I’ve no idea if that includes R&D costs). I’m sure that the bulk of the profit comes from the SUVs and most likely the 911 range, but I doubt that the GT cars are produced at a loss even if the margins are small.

Jeff

 
I think having no sympathy for the DPs and SAs on the ground is a bit harsh Jeff - they're just trying to do a job! The folks I deal with are really nice people and the GT car game is a source of much frustration, and at times abuse towards them, which is bang out of order. Dealing with what can be exceptionally arrogant self-entitled Porsche buyers really isn't a nice place to be so I personally really feel for them. The attitude of some people can be truly shocking.

Porsche AG obviously don't care, it gets them in the media and talked about on the socials of course.

 
My comment was directed at “Porsche Corporate” Dave rather than the dealerships … they’re the ones who put them in an impossible situation and unenviable position by severely limiting availability. So I agree completely with your comments.

Jeff

 
Indeed - I'd like to think you know me well enough by now that I wasn't having a go at you, just adding to the discussion and explaining the way I see it at my OPC [:)]

Back to the GT4RS, I've just seen on Rennlist that a usually well informed poster has stated there will be a 2yr production run for the GT4RS. That seems to go against the consesus on how many cars might be produced, but if true it would be great news!

 
Interesting, although it would make commercial sense to prolong production for as long as possible to recoup development costs given that allocations are likely to be relatively small … and it won’t necessarily help with the Centres’ headache!

Jeff

 
2 years for GT4 RS 1 year for Spyder RS.

But if OPC will only get 8 a year that's still not many cars for the UK.

As for dealers choosing's clients , it's pretty simple imo to pick a client, they don't have that many orders to go though. Ban any flippers to 3rd party dealers, don't let the same people have every GT model. Cannot leave that many people left to offer one too ?

then out of those the ones who have spent the most ££ in the last 3 years, jobs a job I would NOT call that hassle and pretty simple to form a list of clients who should get a car.

Basic maths and common sense.

I have had a 981 GT4, and a 991.2 GT3 new and on my 9th Porker, but won't get a GT4 RS as I don't spend enough money there.

as for profit the options are eye watering, back in 2016 after all costs profit per car was £14k I bets that more like £16k now days maybe more as the modern cars look cheaper to me over the 991.2.

they still are the most profitable producer of vehicles across the globe, so I am not crying for them. Modern options and PTS rakes the money in. It's all gone very VAG.

 
Keep your eye open for 'special' run out models towards the end of '22 folks. I was told that allocations for 718 ICE in 2024 will be what ever's left in the parts bin and very few and far between.

 
Not to spoil the videos. It comes in at £120k and will not be a limited run and they expect to get 2-2.5 years out of it. Deliveries start at the end of 2021.

If you can afford it, get on the list or expect a long wait.

Dan.

 
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