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Hi - newb 944T owner

Thanks for the links - I've looked in a lot of places and I agree - Paragon seems to have the best overall prices - particularly for OEM. And the Koni inserts are cheaper than two standard struts (granted some work is required). I was concerned about the Konis as a fellow local club member had converted his '89 S2 and first impressions (by him) was that it was pretty hard even on full soft - mind you he was comparing to 20 yr old oem stuff. I saw him recently and he's changed his mind about the Konis believing them to reasonably comfortable even on medium settings - so I'll probably go the Koni route. Note that standard S2 struts are not rebuild-able so Bilstein inserts are not an option.
 
You may well be right; be a shame to hack up M030s and I might lose the height-adjustability.

Looking at other options right now. One option is a rebuild by Koni workshop (SP Suspension in Lincolnshre: (£45 + parts/damper).

Other option is a used set of M030s.

Cheers,
Russ
 
Rebuild the fronts - definitely. My guess is that any used set (if you can find them) will need a rebuild
 
Good to see Andy's car in the hands of a proper enthusiast ! He laboured much love on that car over the years and I know it was a wrench for him to sell it. Certainly worth you having a chat with him about it.

My car had refurbished M030 from a 968CS on it when i bought it and frankly it was 'orrible so I went down the KWV3 route as a replacement. Its excellent though not the cheapest. Other more reasonable solutions are available and all of them much nicer than M030 which really is out of date technology in whatever condition its in.
 

ORIGINAL: Paul 290T

Hi Russ,

If your car was holding 1.2 bar near the red line i reckon you'll have well over 290bhp at the wheels. In fact you 290bhp sounds more like the flywheel figure at that boost pressure, meaning you'd have about 340bhp at the wheels (typical RWD cars have a 15% transmission loss). Check what boost pressure you have around 5800rpm, I think that's where you're car will develop maximum power.
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Errmmm....
 
Hi Jon,
Thanks for the info on the M030s; very interesting (although the wife won't thank you :) ). Do you think that the M030 is really that old/poor that they're not worth rebuilding? Did your car have a 968 ARB that may have been making them feel too stiff? If I discard the M030s completely, then it does open up more options.

Has anyone put Bilstein B6s on a 951? Would love to see how it sits and hear how it rides; as I say, my previous car was transformed by its Bilsteins,

Paul,
I know what you meant, thanks :)

Russ
 
ORIGINAL: 944 man
Errmmm....
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[:D] - agreed, there is no way a K26/8 car will do more than about 300 flywheel hp, and this car is running a K26/6.

The car looks great by the way, congrats for the purchase and welcome!
 
Because I usually skim posts as I should be doing something else, that had me baffled for a moment. Im guessing that calculated and recorded wheel horsepower have been inverted.
 
Simon, I would agree with you.

Russ, nice car (and part of a long line of same....I like the RS4 qualification..V6[;)]..thats understood), congratulations on the 944t.

The crashy rear....you are probably aware, you can soften the M030 rear dampers way back and to be honest, they are not hard by some standards at the hardest setting (but crashy - yes). Undo the lower bolt, compress fully and turn, release and observe the movement speed. Fast return is soft, slow is hard. You will need to remove the top bolt to start the thread on the bottom one into the Ali Lower Arm, its to do with alignment, and for that reason I always take both fully off the car and do a match pair in the vice on the bench.
It will weight transfer left right, and fore aft quite a lot on full soft, but grip like mad if you dont mind the drama. The comfort will be really good.

Had a Promax L2 on a previous car, 1.2 bar is fine if the HG is fresh. I would wind her back up.

I would have to admit Bilstein is a more compliant product than koni IMO, and Olli did a very interesting article on rebuilding them. KW get good reviews but to date I have made do with M030.

George
944t
 
Thanks for the comments and info, George.

Unfortunately the M030s are stuck on fully soft, but crashy as well..... :)

Russ
 

ORIGINAL: JagdHamster

Hi Jon,
Thanks for the info on the M030s; very interesting (although the wife won't thank you :) ). Do you think that the M030 is really that old/poor that they're not worth rebuilding? Did your car have a 968 ARB that may have been making them feel too stiff? If I discard the M030s completely, then it does open up more options.

Has anyone put Bilstein B6s on a 951? Would love to see how it sits and hear how it rides; as I say, my previous car was transformed by its Bilsteins,

Paul,
I know what you meant, thanks :)

Russ
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I think M030 is just plain crashy whatever the setting and whatever the ARB - I couldn't wait to get my re-built examples off my car and once done it really was night and day in terms of improvement.
 
Unfortunately the M030s are stuck on fully soft, but crashy as well..... :)
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Russ, what tyres?, tyre pressures? is the car poly bushed or something? Maybe the torsion bars have been changed?

M030 was the Porsche sports suspension option back in the day, and its at least reasonable especially on fully soft. Some Porsches were a bit harsh (thinking 964RS) but a 944 turbo with M030 is not generally that way. I reckon there is something there which is non-OE.

Jon, I'm surprised the cars were not recalled when new [:D] and to think they were rated one of the best cars Porsche had ever made when launched and better than the 911. (See Autocar / Motor magazine). I think you would love a 2CV.

George
944t
 
Good info, Jon, thanks.

George,
I've not yet spoken to Andy at ProMax to determine all those factors yet, but those are good points. The car has had some major changes in the past (turbo, LSD....) so it may be something other than dampers. My only 951 point of reference is that I drove another one at Shirley's Garage (91,000 miles) and it was miles softer (probably a little too soft, actually); almost couldn't feel the road in comparison! I specifically bought Dunlop SportMaxxs because they're soft and quiet tyres, so it's not that; plus the car was on old Conti SportContacts when I bought it and there's been little change.

It's a bit of a head-scratcher, to be honest. I'll speak to Andy today, if I can.

Cheers,
Russ
 
Would concur with George that 1.2 bar of boost with the Level 2 Promax set up is fine. Both 951's that I have owned were given that exact set up with no problems, including the HG.
 

ORIGINAL: George Elliott

M030 was the Porsche sports suspension option back in the day, and its at least reasonable especially on fully soft. Some Porsches were a bit harsh (thinking 964RS) but a 944 turbo with M030 is not generally that way. I reckon there is something there which is non-OE.

Jon, I'm surprised the cars were not recalled when new [:D] and to think they were rated one of the best cars Porsche had ever made when launched and better than the 911. (See Autocar / Motor magazine). I think you would love a 2CV.

George
944t
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George, I fully agree that the 944 is brilliant and way better than the contemporary 911 and I love mine. However for whatever reason the Mo30 suspension I encountered was not pleasant (for road driving at least) in way shape or form. It was rock solid, harsh, crashy and bouncy often all at once ! Maybe it had not been refurbished as claimed, maybe there was some other set up reason why it felt that way, or maybe it was just an unpleasant, old fashioned bit of kit past its sell by date. In any event I much preferred the standard suspension that my previous 951 (220 BHP model) had, it handled so much better imho than the M030 equipped 250BHP.
 
My only 951 point of reference is that I drove another one at Shirley's Garage (91,000 miles) and it was miles softer (probably a little too soft, actually)
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Russ, fully understand that view, hope you get to the bottom of the question.

Jon, should have added - but you would miss the power....[:)] It will be interesting to see if Promax can shed any light on it.
George
944t
 
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