Looks very nice Des. Look forward to seeing it in the metal so to speak.
Kettles are the Future ..... !
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To put the record straight I am still firmly a true 964RS fan. I still own the Carpet. I hope to get a track focussed stripped out C2 "Style" Cup/N-GT either real or built, nothing I am sure gives the same feedback and that will always stay with me. The GT3 is a small departure but not completely, that's I wanted a MK1 GT3 996 ... having done my research and looked at the market and prices this has has to be the best buy for a lt of reasons. Topped with a 15,000 mile immaculate car, track virgin, in speed yellow, was a deal clincher. I allow Clubby Boy, to believe he was part of it. He has actually been very helpful and without him I would not have bought the car. I can believe he would have bought the car if I did not, which speaks volumes, such a lovely car.
Record straight???....More than happy with the above account, of course the accuracy of future speculation is more than likely spurious. If the deal had gone through would you not have bought the track spec maritime 964RS instead??? Where were your GT3 buying trousers 2 weeks ago??? [
] Joking aside, Des, have to admire the fact you are trying a GT3, after all you have said in the past......come on be fair,,, on the basis that you have perhaps been more vocal on kettles, weight, than anyone in the history of Porsche forum, you have to expect some mild stick as you now go forth as perhaps the GT3's biggest fan. Lets hope you like driving it! []
] Joking aside, Des, have to admire the fact you are trying a GT3, after all you have said in the past......come on be fair,,, on the basis that you have perhaps been more vocal on kettles, weight, than anyone in the history of Porsche forum, you have to expect some mild stick as you now go forth as perhaps the GT3's biggest fan. Lets hope you like driving it! []
I'm sure I will love it ..... can't wait to pick it up when the weather clears. Thanks again Paul for coming with me and looking at the beast, we will look like two real mincers in the yellow boys.[&:]
all the very best Des - looks a great car and as a Mk1 it will always have that something extra - the rest are just copies ;-). If you are going to track it hard you will need to change the discs/callipers - alcons seem the best. Yellow a great colour - not for shrinking violets!
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I´m looking forward to reading your first comments on that new toy! I remember very well what you wrote when you got that mint Clubbie and hope the GT 3 will be a great experience also. Yellow is absolutely great, but when you mix a blue carpet and a yellow GT 3 won´t that make a mint Clubbie?[] Rgds, Hacki
] Rgds, HackiWell Jason, if history repeats itself you've just missed the bottom [ORIGINAL: jason But aircooled cars are still on a rising curve and GT3's are still on a downward one. No point buying for 'investment' until the curve reaches the bottom. IMHO[
] How can mid £30's for a 1 of 28 GT3MkI CS not be a bargain ??? and Weissach heritage ?? The MkII and subsequent versions were / are built on the standard production line --- as are the current Cup cars --- RSR's are Weissach and cost almost twice the price of "standard" Cups --- [] Des, I hate the phrase, but ENJOY !!
when you put it like that it sounds very compelling. However, I wonder how this will all look in 20 years time. If we look back at the 70s cars, there werent that many deratives, 2.7 RS, 3.0 RS, 3.0RSR etc. Then a big gap, mid 70s through to the 3.2 clubsport the 911 didnt really have cars of similar ilk. Then came the 964 and 993 RS versions, cup and RSRs. Once they got to the watercooled cars, they've done all sorts, GT3s, GT3 RSs, Cup cars, RSRs. 996s 997s mark I, mark IIs etc. So a buyer in 10-15 years time will have a wide range of choice of cars of varying spec and varying build numbers. I wonder how that will all pan out. One view that early 996s esp. 996RS and GT3 mk I may have an edge as being the original could well be right. I dont think you'll lose out on a GT3 for £30k. I do remember looking at 993RS for mid 30s on Schmidt several years ago and thinking they looked good value, cant help thinking the same with the GT3. Good thing I cant afford one!!! [
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Each generation there has to be a collectable car. The 2.7RS along with 2.4S and rare/race and road variants were the 70's Icons. In the eighties, was a bit thin on the ground with the exception of 959 and 3.2 Clubsport and dare I say very rare 3.0sc RS .... 90's the 964RS and 993RS and variants GT2 etc etc .... Then again very thin on the ground in the 20's certainly MK1 GT3 and 996GT3RS ..... provenance and limited number and homolagation builds seems be the ingrediants of all the foregoing ....ORIGINAL: h_____when you put it like that it sounds very compelling. However, I wonder how this will all look in 20 years time. If we look back at the 70s cars, there werent that many deratives, 2.7 RS, 3.0 RS, 3.0RSR etc. Then a big gap, mid 70s through to the 3.2 clubsport the 911 didnt really have cars of similar ilk. Then came the 964 and 993 RS versions, cup and RSRs. Once they got to the watercooled cars, they've done all sorts, GT3s, GT3 RSs, Cup cars, RSRs. 996s 997s mark I, mark IIs etc. So a buyer in 10-15 years time will have a wide range of choice of cars of varying spec and varying build numbers. I wonder how that will all pan out. One view that early 996s esp. 996RS and GT3 mk I may have an edge as being the original could well be right. I dont think you'll lose out on a GT3 for £30k. I do remember looking at 993RS for mid 30s on Schmidt several years ago and thinking they looked good value, cant help thinking the same with the GT3. Good thing I cant afford one!!! [
Difficult one to single out any shinning becon in the 996 / 997 variants. Except in my mind the race stuff with history should do well in the future. For example tracking down the 996 RS race car that won Le Mans in 2003 would be a good buy, or toher similar history cars. I know race cars aren't for everyone. Regarding where they're actually built I think makes less of a difference than who developed it. Where it's built is just the productionising of the developed product. Where they're designed and developed is probabaly more important as the different teams have different priorities and views on what any particular car should deliver. As an example the only 911 GT2 so far to have been designed and developed by the motrosport department is the 993. All the other 996 and 997 variants were designed and developed by the same team of people who did the 996 / 997 Turbo. I think this comes through in the driving experience. Apparently Porsche have announced that finally they will hand over responsibility for the next GT2 to be designed and developed by the motorsport department. I suspect the hard core lot (and me) will find the end result a lot more appealing than the other 996 / 997 GT2's so far.
Paul, you may be right on the prospects for the new generation Gt2 car, but will it be designed for the American market with even more emphasis on safety features which were not such a consideration for the 993 Gt2's. Lets not forget, no matter how good they are, most enthusiast/classic cars go through a period of inevitable depreciation and fear of running costs before the better examples arrive in the ownership of true enthusiast custodians.
Paul, surely the MK1 996GT3 was derived and HAND built by Motorsport (Weissach) as a HOMOLAGATION CAR ....... as all the great Porsche .. yes certainly the design was around for the 996 as they stamped them out at Zuffenhausen as they did with 993, 964, etc ..... yes certainly race provenance does add big value to any car ...... Hmm, let me see, talking about who designed the car, which would include engine and running gear .... yes the GT3 engine (can't deny a work of technical genius)... not a simple remap of an existing engine .. built on a C4 Shell .... yes a lot of thought went into it I think. Probably the hardest of all the above to be replicated.
Much higher power to weight .... how do replicate that GT1 engine though when the clones come out?
Des. I agree. I didn't say anything about the mk1 gt3 not being a motorsport car. I was just making a point that the exact location of where its built is less important than the input of the team of people who do the design and develop and used the GT2 as evidence of this. Yes the GT3 engne is great, but not unobtainable. A brief web search shows I can buy a GT3 Cup engine for £10k.
Is that a before or after?
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