Manthey-Racing presents Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 MR

[MrDemon]

My car is going into RPM next week for the final stage - MR KW 3-Way.

Can't wait to give it a try.

If you want to chat - let me know.

post up how that worked out for you ? and how long they had your car ! and still retuned it wrong !!!

I cannot rate RPM they seem totally clueless on how to set up cars ! please post a review so people can choose if they feel they want to visit them !!

it took them 3 attempts to set up my car and it's not right, Plus over charged me to death, Zero skills that outfit and don;t even seem to know the basics.

No wonder Manthey had to come and train them a few months back , but still have no clue.

 

[Twinfan]

The joys of modding Dave!

Hope it all turns out OK for you.

Jeff

Indeed Jeff! I'm sure it'll be fine with a tweak here and there if required. The exhaust is also supposed to be going on today so here's hoping all goes well with that too...

 

[MrDemon]

seems they are using you for all this set up and exhaust work , hope it's all free being a mule car !! Seems they want a bit of modern car RPM/ JZM action as people and £££££ are easy parted atm on high end car modding !!! but won't buy their own car ! And Porsche TAX on mods is right up there atm selling to people who know no better.

 

[TDT]

My car is going into RPM next week for the final stage - MR KW 3-Way.

Can't wait to give it a try.

If you want to chat - let me know.

post up how that worked out for you ? and how long they had your car ! and still retuned it wrong !!!

I cannot rate RPM they seem totally clueless on how to set up cars ! please post a review so people can choose if they feel they want to visit them !!

it took them 3 attempts to set up my car and it's not right, Plus over charged me to death, Zero skills that outfit and don;t even seem to know the basics.

No wonder Manthey had to come and train them a few months back , but still have no clue.

In the end, I am happy with the set up... Will get its first track outing next week - but had a great run with a friend with a 718 GT4 this weekend and was very happy with the car - and he also drove mine as was impressed. 'Drives like a GT car should, so stable.. My car feels loose by comparison'.. was the quote.

He is off to get a geo this week so that will help him a lot - as he is getting some rear steer.

There was a bit of a communication break down with RPM initially - as I sent extra parts to get installed - Solid Castor pucks and Monoball LCA Inner for the Rear..

Castor pucks installed fine, but for the LCA Inners there was a bit of a mix up and the fault was partly mine... I thought that the MR LCA inners I had on the front were solid... they are not. They are from the 991.1 RS and larger but still rubber.

So they put by new solid ones on the front assuming thats where there were for, as that what you normally do... Things didn't fall in place line up on the rig as there are a different size.. they called me. We talked about what had been done... clarified and they put on the MR LCA inners back on and finished the setup. I had obtained the parts independently, without speaking with them first.

They did have a bit of difficulty with caster as the MR rig doesn't consider castor as adjustable caster/thrust pucks are not part of any of the MR kits - so they had to do some manual work to get this properly set.

This was all communicated, and I prize being transparent above all... and they were.

No additional charge for the labour or extra time on the rig as we shared the issue, discount for install of the extra parts as they were doing the full coilover setup up anyway.

So i have a set of Solid LCA inners for the rear on the shelf in the garage at the moment and we have Solid Fronts on back order from Porsche.

As it is, it gives me a chance to assess the KW coilovers in isolation and make a determination on if i want to go further or leave as is. Too many changes at once is an issue.

 

[TDT]

Back on the top mount spacer… had it confirmed…

Some use it some don’t… can depend on setup.

But the purpose is that some of the offset/RS top mounts have longer bolts and spacer gives some clearance for this, also they add a little ride height clearance, as we mentioned before. Additionally the spacer helps move the mounting bolt a bit further away to avoid body contact as it’s offset inwards

 

[Twinfan]

Cheers T, interesting stuff. I can see it potentially being needed if you're running very high levels of negative camber, however I won't be so probably not needed. Although one assumes the Cup cars with their -5deg would need it so you'd think it would be standard.

Hey ho, I'll have a chat about it when I speak to them later.

 

[Twinfan]

OK, so we're all sorted with the front. As I suspected, no spacers are required on the top mounts unless you're running race car levels of camber. I'm starting at the bottom end of the range with -2.25deg and there's plenty of clearance between the body and the mounting bolt. Job done.

The exhaust is all fitted and sorted too so I'm looking forward to checking that out.

The rear is unfortunately unchanged and maxxed out on standard parts for now. Porsche Motorsport have sent the wrong bolts for the rear toe links (doh!) so they can't be fitted. Plus I also need a few shims, so all those parts will be ordered and I'll pop back for rear fitment and alignment in 2-3 weeks once they've come over from Germany.

I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad!

 

[ralphmusic]

Manthey parts and warranty:

I emailed Porsche AG press department two months ago after they put out a piece advocating Manthey suspension kits. The press department replied by asking Manthey to explain warranty status but they have not replied after 3 follow-ups from me to both of them. As always, factory warranty requires causal link to deny claim, approved warranty no causal link required, car with any modified parts = deny claim. Best thing is to either have good relationship with Centre i.e. spend a lot, or forget about approved warranty.

With my old 3.8L Cayman it was an easy "choice" to go self-insured with ahead of the game maintenance and the considered mods discussed here should give confidence to go self-insured.

 

[Twinfan]

I'm certainly not in the warranty game Ralph, as you might guess!

 

[MrDemon]

Modern UK Porsche owner ship is the worst looked after people in the world sadly. odd but there you go. I feel for any one waiting for a 718 rebuilt engine in the UK but it is low numbers on cars which were delivered !

rest of the world seems to know what's going on Porsche UK will not say a word.

Also our custom shops are again the worst in the word. If I wanted work doing I would drive the car to Germany and use one of the outfits there, they do it right 1st time and cheaper.

UK don't mod really so none of the outfits have a clue on modern stuff as most modern Porker buyers stay oem, the issue is they see the ££££ signs but cannot seem to do a good job and charge more than going to Manthey, Aworkx or Jens direct. 3 top outfits to trust over dicking about with the UK outfits and would be far cheaper.

we have some great classic UK outfits though but they don't touch modern cars as they are so busy doing what they do best.

 

[Motorhead]

That’s a damning generalised indictment of UK specialists D! I’m neither an apologist for, nor do I have any specific experience of them, but surely there’s a wealth of successful UK Porsche race car preparation and experience out there which filters down to customers and which must count for something? RPM even have Tim Harvey on-board to assist in the development of their CSR builds.

I’d be interested to hear/see what evidence you can supply to support your claim?

Jeff

 

[MrDemon]

That’s a damning generalised indictment of UK specialists D! I’m neither an apologist for, nor do I have any specific experience of them, but surely there’s a wealth of successful UK Porsche race car preparation and experience out there which filters down to customers and which must count for something? RPM even have Tim Harvey on-board to assist in the development of their CSR builds.

I’d be interested to hear/see what evidence you can supply to support your claim?

Jeff

Name a UK pioneering 3rd party shop to look after and mod modern pork to the same standards as Manthey, Aworkx, Schirmer racing (BMW), Ehresmann Automotive please name some , one even would be nice. We don't have a single outfit offering new ideas on modern porkers. We have BMW, Ford, Jag even.

new to the game IS JCR (I have some JCR stuff) but no road legal high BHP stuff or remapping etc available, ok if you want BBS wheels, some ohlins or a back box exhaust, but not a one stop shop for high end modding.

we have a few nice choice places to look after modern oem porkers if you want to move way from OPC's . But none are making a name like the above German Shops if you want more than OEM.

USA also have Deman, BBi, Duddon, Sharkwerks etc.

we have many top end Air cooled outfits but again you have to know who to use, same with paint shops, not all are equal, What we don't have is a Modern top end UK pioneering Porker outfit sadley imo.

most forum modded Porkers are German Parts and shops just fitted here on licence.

 

[Brian_Innes]

David (Mr Demon),

I always enjoy reading your forthright opinions on Porsche topics, and today is no exception.

Although I am sadly not now a Cayman owner due to physical health circumstances, I am still an avid reader of Cayman posts on this forum and take a keen interest in the all topics discussed particularly those related to improving Cayman suspension and engine performance.

As a former modifier at heart, I have no experience regarding the quality of expertise or workmanship standards of UK Porsche modifying suppliers, but what I can say is, that having personally visited FVD Brombacher's premises in Freiburg in 2016 when on a tour of Germany with my 718 Cayman S, they seemed a very knowledgeable and competent provider of modifications on both older and current Porsche models.

I was given a personal tour of their facilities and was particularly impressed with the research FVD had already accomplished on the then brand new 2.5 Turbo 4 - cylinder models. Had my circumstances been different I would certainly have seriously considered one of their 2.5t performance conversion kits be fitted at their premises rather than in the UK.

Keep the comments coming David.

Brian

 

[MrDemon]

David (Mr Demon),

I always enjoy reading your forthright opinions on Porsche topics, and today is no exception.

Although I am sadly not now a Cayman owner due to physical health circumstances, I am still an avid reader of Cayman posts on this forum and take a keen interest in the all topics discussed particularly those related to improving Cayman suspension and engine performance.

As a former modifier at heart, I have no experience regarding the quality of expertise or workmanship standards of UK Porsche modifying suppliers, but what I can say is, that having personally visited FVD Brombacher's premises in Freiburg in 2016 when on a tour of Germany with my 718 Cayman S, they seemed a very knowledgeable and competent provider of modifications on both older and current Porsche models.

I was given a personal tour of their facilities and was particularly impressed with the research FVD had already accomplished on the then brand new 2.5 Turbo 4 - cylinder models. Had my circumstances been different I would certainly have seriously considered one of their 2.5t performance conversion kits be fitted at their premises rather than in the UK.

Keep the comments coming David.

Brian

yes FVD another great German outfit. The UK has none and the poster above did not come back with any I notice.

 

[Motorhead]

My original comment wasn’t meant to be contentious D, and the only reason I didn’t come back to you is that unfortunately I’m in general agreement with your response!

Speaking as an enthusiastic (but now retired) mechanical engineer, unlike Germany this country long ago stopped making stuff (blame Thatcher for making us a “service economy”), although we’re still very good at niche design and manufacture and you’ll be aware that a lot of F1 race teams are based here, and classic car restoration is still going strong, so the skills thankfully are still here and are being encouraged and developed. Although we still design and manufacture cars here the industry is nowhere nearly as strong as it is in Germany where their products have a strong presence in motorsport, sometimes with factory support. Certainty the skills and experience are here, but maybe it’s difficult for a UK company to build a business case for designing and manufacturing modified parts when the competition’s so strong?

Also, Manthey in particular have a very strong relationship with Porsche who have a majority share in the company, so it’s no surprise that they’re in the forefront of offering mods to Porsche owners, and you’ll note that the other companies you mention as well as FVD Brombacher are German (see my above comment!).

Just my tuppence worth of course.

Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

Manthey soon to be in Tequipment

https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1089524#msg1089524

 

[TDT]

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