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[coverley]

Oli, Friday 25th could work - my wife works some nights so will have to check as otherwise will have the kids, but will find out. That's a shame about Fatboys - crazy that there would be such a reaction...

By the way, wanted to share my Tower Porsche experience which might be of interest. I phoned to ask them if I could take the S2 in to check the cam chain. The service history states that the belts have been changed a number of times (last time by them) but didn't mention the chain - so just wanted a little piece of mind.

The guy I spoke to on the phone, not sure of his name, assured me that the S2 only had belts and no chain, and if the belts had been done then it would be fine. I questioned that, as I was pretty certain that the 16vs did have a chain - after speaking to a colleague he said he didn't really know and that they were stopping looking after front-engine Porsches anyway, both 944s and 928s. So, I have called RGA and am taking it in for a check tomorrow.

Anyway, thought this may be of interest - I was a bit surprised, but guess Tower must be stopping 944 servicing as they don't have the demand and enough expertise to cover it.

Jon

 

[zcacogp]

That's very surprising about Tower Porsche. I wonder whether Jon has taken on some other staff member who is a bit of a wally. Be a shame if they are indeed giving up 944's.

Let me know about the 25th - if it works for you then I suggest we put up a thread and see who else is around on that evening.


Oli.

ETA: I wonder whether he confused it with the 928S2? That is also a 16valve but has no cam chain.

 

[coverley]

ETA: I wonder whether he confused it with the 928S2? That is also a 16valve but has no cam chain.

That's possible - but I'm sure I said it was a 944. He definitely said that they were looking to move away from both the 944 and 928 though...

 

[Hallsy]

That doesn't sound too good, you'd think even if he wasn't sure, he'd at least ask before telling you something incorrect!

 

[pauljmcnulty]

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

Andrew,

Yes, a bunch of 944 chaps from on here dropped into the Fatboys Diner one a while ago. I think it's fair to say that the reception wasn't terribly warm - it's one of the incidents cited on the "Are we the poor relations" thread of late.


Oli.

Hi Oli,

I've not been following this, but the Fatboys monthly meet is a PCGB Region event, one of hundreds of regular meets the 30-odd Club regions organise every year for their own, local members.

I think that "dropping in" would, indeed, be seen as a bit rude? I am sure that if you called the organisers and arranged to drop in it would be very welcome, and indeed they'd probably build the event around the bunch of cars arriving, but you do need to speak to someone before you crash their party!

I'm not being all PCGB-ish about this. Glenn invited me to the local Tipec front-runner night and it was great to go and see some new cars, meet a different crowd, and have a good evening out. But, I'd never dream of turning up at a club event I wasn't a member of without checking first.

Just common courteousy to me. Apologies if I have misread this and you were all expected, in which case it was very rude of them! []

 

[zcacogp]

Paul,

You are correct in every respect. It happened about three or four years ago and was pre-arranged with the organisers of that region, who were expecting us. Around nine or ten 944 owners, some of whom were PCGB members (although I wasn't) went along one Saturday to join the FatBoys Diner meet and were not exactly welcomed with open arms as fellow Porsche-owning brothers. The regular members of the meet were, I think without exception, 911 owners, and while we tried to make conversation and generally fit in there wasn't much attempt made to reciprocate. The details of the lack of welcome are a matter for history and I won't dwell on them.

It could have been that we were 'strangers'. It could have been that we were seen as unwelcome because (some of us) were non-members. It could have been the 'Inferior Relations' ghoul coming out to haunt us - I don't know. Either way, it didn't either encourage me to go back on another occasion or to join PCGB, and I say this with a nod and slight apology to you as Register Secretary.

(For balance, I did once crash the PCGB meet in Essex at around the same time, with Edd Copperman and another friend of mine*, and we were made to feel wonderfully welcome and had a genuinely excellent evening. People were warm and friendly, buying of drinks for strangers was merrily reciprocated, there was a simply superb talk from someone from a motorbike racing team and it's an evening that I'm not forgetting in a rush. The sadness is that the Essex meet is too far for me to go on a regular basis, otherwise I'd be a fixture there and a very happy member of PCGB.)


Oli.

* - For the 'Us and Them' wonks, the other friend who came along has never owned a Porsche of any kind, and yet he was still made to feel enormously welcome! []

 

[andrew_churcher]

ORIGINAL: coverley

ETA: I wonder whether he confused it with the 928S2? That is also a 16valve but has no cam chain.

That's possible - but I'm sure I said it was a 944. He definitely said that they were looking to move away from both the 944 and 928 though...

I think after putting up with Oli as a client it's probably a no brainer [8D]

 

[andrew_churcher]

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

Andrew,

Yes, a bunch of 944 chaps from on here dropped into the Fatboys Diner one a while ago. I think it's fair to say that the reception wasn't terribly warm - it's one of the incidents cited on the "Are we the poor relations" thread of late.


Oli.

Hi Oli,

I've not been following this, but the Fatboys monthly meet is a PCGB Region event, one of hundreds of regular meets the 30-odd Club regions organise every year for their own, local members.

I think that "dropping in" would, indeed, be seen as a bit rude? I am sure that if you called the organisers and arranged to drop in it would be very welcome, and indeed they'd probably build the event around the bunch of cars arriving, but you do need to speak to someone before you crash their party!

I'm not being all PCGB-ish about this. Glenn invited me to the local Tipec front-runner night and it was great to go and see some new cars, meet a different crowd, and have a good evening out. But, I'd never dream of turning up at a club event I wasn't a member of without checking first.

Just common courteousy to me. Apologies if I have misread this and you were all expected, in which case it was very rude of them! []

Ed and Nick run R20 london region these days. They have only been in the job for 12 mths or so but have really built up a number of interesting drives every mth and trips abroad and do make a big effort to incorporate others into the fold. They even both drive Boxsters just to diverse the crowd from being too 911 centric ...........check the r20 Facebook page as that generally has all the up to date info

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Ed and Nick run R20 london region these days. They have only been in the job for 12 mths or so but have really built up a number of interesting drives every mth and trips abroad and do make a big effort to incorporate others into the fold.

I think it's nearer three years, how time flies!

It's still not perfect, of course. My region, just outside London, holds a few rounds of our karting champoinship in the London region, and offered to open it up to them. The post was deleted, we still don't know whyt, but that's how individual regions can get it wrong sometimes.

London's usually one of the most accomodating regions, though. It has to be, as things like the Ace Cafe meet aren't PCGB-specific, so anyone can turn up on the night. I think it adds so much to the events, which is why I love all the facebook 944 meets so much.

 

[coverley]

Oli, 25th is good - got the all clear from my wife. My neighbour is up for coming along - he's a proud owner of a silver diesel estate - but a bit of a petrol head - I said you'd treat him kindly! Let me know if you're still up for a meet...

Cheers,

Jon

 

[GlennS]

ORIGINAL: andrew_churcher

ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

Andrew,

Yes, a bunch of 944 chaps from on here dropped into the Fatboys Diner one a while ago. I think it's fair to say that the reception wasn't terribly warm - it's one of the incidents cited on the "Are we the poor relations" thread of late.


Oli.

Hi Oli,

I've not been following this, but the Fatboys monthly meet is a PCGB Region event, one of hundreds of regular meets the 30-odd Club regions organise every year for their own, local members.

I think that "dropping in" would, indeed, be seen as a bit rude? I am sure that if you called the organisers and arranged to drop in it would be very welcome, and indeed they'd probably build the event around the bunch of cars arriving, but you do need to speak to someone before you crash their party!

I'm not being all PCGB-ish about this. Glenn invited me to the local Tipec front-runner night and it was great to go and see some new cars, meet a different crowd, and have a good evening out. But, I'd never dream of turning up at a club event I wasn't a member of without checking first.

Just common courteousy to me. Apologies if I have misread this and you were all expected, in which case it was very rude of them! []

Ed and Nick run R20 london region these days. They have only been in the job for 12 mths or so but have really built up a number of interesting drives every mth and trips abroad and do make a big effort to incorporate others into the fold. They even both drive Boxsters just to diverse the crowd from being too 911 centric ...........check the r20 Facebook page as that generally has all the up to date info

Ed and Nick have always been very welcoming. I regularly attend the Ace Cafe nights and recently rolled up to be greeted by Ed saying "thank you for bringing a red car!"; the car park was full of grey, silver and black Porsches. The world of Porsche looked a bit monochrome.

The hypothetical issue of a group of (Porsche) cars turning up uninvited to a regional meet is an interesting question. I guess if I were the (again hypothetical) local RO I'd be interested in the cars and regard it as a "recruitment opportunity" for the club if not my own region. That recruitment being best achieved by being welcoming, inclusive and demonstrating what a fun bunch the club can be.

 

[pauljmcnulty]

The hypothetical issue of a group of (Porsche) cars turning up uninvited to a regional meet is an interesting question. I guess if I were the (again hypothetical) local RO I'd be interested in the cars and regard it as a "recruitment opportunity" for the club if not my own region. That recruitment being best achieved by being welcoming, inclusive and demonstrating what a fun bunch the club can be.

Hi Glenn,

I completely agree, my point is it would just be common courteousy to speak to the organisers first. Often the region events might have been planned for many months, perhaps with a summer BBQ or something, that requires pre-booking.

I think almost all Club events need to be open to potential members, and most are. The same with the forum and website. []

 

[zcacogp]

ORIGINAL: coverley

Oli, 25th is good - got the all clear from my wife. My neighbour is up for coming along - he's a proud owner of a silver diesel estate - but a bit of a petrol head - I said you'd treat him kindly! Let me know if you're still up for a meet...

Great! It's in my diary.

I'm a little limited in access to t'interweb at the mo as I'm in France (Le Mans Classic, but sadly not in the 944) but do you want to contact _Ian to see how he is placed on the 25th? You could also start a new thread with the suggested date in the title and see who else is up for a meet then. If you'd rather not (and I quite understand if you wouldn't) then I'll do it in the next day or so.

In fact, stuff it, I'll do it now!


Oli.

ETA: Done - 'tis here:

http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/tm.asp?m=837418&mpage=1&key=&#837418

 

[jasonp]

ORIGINAL: zcacogp

Paul,

You are correct in every respect. It happened about three or four years ago and was pre-arranged with the organisers of that region, who were expecting us. Around nine or ten 944 owners, some of whom were PCGB members (although I wasn't) went along one Saturday to join the FatBoys Diner meet and were not exactly welcomed with open arms as fellow Porsche-owning brothers. The regular members of the meet were, I think without exception, 911 owners, and while we tried to make conversation and generally fit in there wasn't much attempt made to reciprocate. The details of the lack of welcome are a matter for history and I won't dwell on them.

It could have been that we were 'strangers'. It could have been that we were seen as unwelcome because (some of us) were non-members. It could have been the 'Inferior Relations' ghoul coming out to haunt us - I don't know. Either way, it didn't either encourage me to go back on another occasion or to join PCGB, and I say this with a nod and slight apology to you as Register Secretary.

(For balance, I did once crash the PCGB meet in Essex at around the same time, with Edd Copperman and another friend of mine*, and we were made to feel wonderfully welcome and had a genuinely excellent evening. People were warm and friendly, buying of drinks for strangers was merrily reciprocated, there was a simply superb talk from someone from a motorbike racing team and it's an evening that I'm not forgetting in a rush. The sadness is that the Essex meet is too far for me to go on a regular basis, otherwise I'd be a fixture there and a very happy member of PCGB.)


Oli.

* - For the 'Us and Them' wonks, the other friend who came along has never owned a Porsche of any kind, and yet he was still made to feel enormously welcome! []

we shall agree to disagree then oli but I certainly don't remember it like that,,,best of luck with your meet,,,jasonp

 

[zcacogp]

Jason,

I'm dead pleased you have better recollections of it than me! []

(Forgive me - my memory is failing me in my old age - but I'm not sure you were with us when we went to the FatBoys Diner, where you? I know you were with us when we went to Essex, which was a wonderful evening. Do let me know if I an wrong in this.)


Oli.